Will not start the fuel pump was not getting power?

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The fuse #8 in the under-hood fuse box? Should have a 15amp fuse. What 7.5amp are you referring to? Fuse 6 is the 7.5amp fuse for the overhead lamps, (diagram 3).
I'm referring to Fuse #8 which was in the under-hood fuse box, it feeds the ECM relay, that was the fuse you said was blown, correct?
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 11:15 AM
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Find the radio code so we can disconnect the battery and do some testing. I will get back with you shortly.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 11:16 AM
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It may not have been fuse 8 and I'm not referring to under the hood I'm referring to the fuse box under the dash and the fuse the powers and controls the overhead light in the interior that is a 7.5 that is the one that blue caused some smoking from the headliner area so we removed the fuse and now as soon as you put a fuse in that spot it blows every time I already have the radio code so I am ready when you are just let me know.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 1:58 PM
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And sorry just reread your inquiry about the ECU fuse have been blown first the overhead lamp fuse blew and started smoking after that is when I noticed that the number eight ECU fuse had blown also the ECU fuse has been replaced and has not blown again since however the overhead light fuse blows as soon as you try to put one in.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 2:08 PM
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Okay, so basically once the overhead lamp circuit started smoking and blew the fuse, did it not start after that? I'm just trying to determine if both these events happened at the same time. It sounds like someone put a 20amp fuse in a 7.5amp location because it probably kept burning out the 7.5 due to a short and adding the 20 amp allowed a lot more current to flow, hence the smoke, so it was most likely not a dead short to ground on the circuit, or it would have blown the 20amp fuse right away. So there must have been some resistance to ground for this all to happen. A corroded connector will do that, when some current can flow between pins in a connector that are close to each other, the corrosion is resistance between the two pins but current still flows over it.
This is how wires melt together if you have ever seen that. Any resistance in a circuit causes heat to built up.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 2:28 PM
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Either way, the reason the fuse for the overhead lamp just pops when you install it is there is a direct short to ground somewhere on the circuit before the load (bulb). If it was smoking like that, there's probably wires melted together, so I would check wherever you saw the smoke coming from. You'll have to pull the covers off the ceiling lamp, take the bulb out and with a flashlight see what you can up above the ceiling where the wires run.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 2:48 PM
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Well I can't be certain as to whether or not the ECU fuse blue before or after the overhead lamp fuse issue because I wasn't the one that checked it, and I know that it wasn't brought to my attention until after the overhead lamp fuse issue had happened. I do have the radio code and am ready to proceed and start wherever you think I should with the test light and the multimeter I've already put the test light to all the fuses underneath the dash, and they all read 11.5.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 2:48 PM
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Battery voltage is low, that doesn't help. It should be at least 12.6v. But see what you have for voltage at the data link connector on pin 16, check it twice, once using pin 4 as ground and then pin 5 for ground.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 2:55 PM
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We will have to assume whatever burned out fuse 8 might be a wire that is not always making contact somewhere, some wire that might be moving around when the vehicle was running.
Do you have another key to try, or have you tried yet? Like a grey valet key? And there are not metal objects on the key chain or near the ignition switch?
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:05 PM
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We need scan tool data to see if the ECM is not allowing starting due to a key issue itself, or if the ECM is unable to communicate correctly, the communications issue seems more likely with all the scan tool problems, but I think the ECMs in these vehicles are difficult to get to being in the middle of dash if I remember correctly, it might be accessible from the passenger side floor behind the center console panel.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:12 PM
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So under the hood there are two fuses under the hood that are giving me no reading with the test light and a couple that are giving me lower voltage readings the test light that I have gives me voltage as well but I also have a multimeter but just that first check with the test light this is what I'm seeing.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:14 PM
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In regards to the voltage on the data link connector what do I set my multimeter to check that?
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:18 PM
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And also, only have one key and there's nothing metal hanging from the key I am simply putting the key in the ignition by itself.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:19 PM
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DC volts, it should read battery voltage, I would get a charger or maintainer on the battery because when testing with the key on the battery is just going to keep dropping and its already too low.
Im going to show you where we are on the flow chart for a flashing Immobilizer lamp as well.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:20 PM
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Up to step 25, where the engine doesn't start and immobilizer lamp flashing, Honda wants a scan tool hooked up (The HDS is the factory Honda scan tool) but an aftermarket one will do to check for ECM communication.
See what voltage reading you get on pins 7 and then 14 also. Pin 14 is supposed to go directly to the Immobilizer, and pin 7 is the K-Line which is used for scan tool communications to the modules, the K-Line should have a 12volt signal, although a meter is too slow to read the signal, I want to see if there's anything there at all.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:32 PM
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When I check 7 and 14 what do you want me to use as the ground?
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:37 PM
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Also pin 16 reads 11.7 whether I use 4 or 5 as the ground.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:41 PM
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Also let me try to get my hands on a scan tool.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:43 PM
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You can use pins 4 or 5 for ground, I'm not sure what you will see with a meter and the key On, but I'd expect to see something. The issue here is we don't know if the ECM and Immob, are communicating to each other. A scan tool that can read all the modules in the vehicle, so a higher end scan tool, can go into the security system and ECM to see what the data PIDs are reading. And tell us if the ECM is inhibiting starting due to not seeing the key through the Immob. Other issue might be corrupt data packets on the network, still a communication issue though.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 3:58 PM
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We can have you disconnect the immobilizer connector and the ECM connector E which is where the two communicate the code it needs to allow starting, and see if that wire is shorted to ground or has high resistance, the immobilizer is on the steering column under the Ign switch(diagram 5, 6) and the ECM is here(diagram1) and the ECM connector E pin 27 wire colors(diagrams 3, 4, 5 are all connector E).
Make sure the key is off when doing this. I didn't even ask if this is a key Fob or not, I assumed the lock smith had done everything correctly, but I'm not so sure now.
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Saturday, June 7th, 2025 AT 4:30 PM

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