The engine will not crank or start?

Tiny
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  • 2003 FORD F-250
  • 5.4L
  • V8
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 200,000 MILES
My truck won’t crank or start. I have replaced the battery, the alternator, the ignition, switch, neutral safety switches the belt, the starter it tested fine, replaced or checked all fuses and relays tested all the wires. I have no power going from the fuse box to the S post on the starter zero voltage tester the wires there’s no resistance and fuses numbers 30 through 33 have no voltage, however they used to but now they’re not working. Need help I have to move. My truck been given a three-day warning six days ago.
Tuesday, December 26th, 2023 AT 4:12 PM

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Tiny
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Yep, that is no fun let's get it running for you. can I ask if you tried to crank the engine over in neutral? Also, please check fuse # F2-113 and fuse # f2-31 in the fuse panel under the dash on the left side.

This guide can help:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

If the fuses are okay let's swap out the starter control relay which is in the fuse panel under the dash on the left side as well.

Here is a guide that can help, and I have included the starter wiring diagrams so you can see how the system works:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Check out the images (below). Please upload pictures or videos of the problem so we can see what's going on.

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Wednesday, December 27th, 2023 AT 1:13 PM
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So, I have put new everything you can think of I do mean everything. I had a mobile Mechanic come today and finally gave up. I paid him $100.00 for his time but I’m still lost. The only thing the scanner said was key fob and it wouldn’t allow him to erase old codes. He said I might need an electrical specialist in which I can’t afford.
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Thursday, December 28th, 2023 AT 1:34 AM
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I’m considering going to the junk yard and buying a new fuse panel but it’s expensive. It seems like fuses 30 and 31 have fused together inside. Not the fuses but the board. Also, number 37 only lights up on one side. I don't know but I have test and retested and just have no idea.
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Thursday, December 28th, 2023 AT 1:39 AM
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We don't need an electrical specialist; we can fix it. Can you please revisit the post above and go over what it says and report back please? Let's not replace any parts until we have a direction.
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Thursday, December 28th, 2023 AT 10:44 AM
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Okay, I went through your questions and the things to test. Everything has been tested as advised by me twice and mechanic twice. All checks out except for fuses 30 31 have no voltage and one more that only indicates on one side of the fuse. I will verify the number of the fuse when I get home. Were you able to view the video I sent? Those fuses that trigger the starter no longer have power even though they are new good fuses. Also, yes, I did go through all the gears trying to start and got nothing.
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Thursday, December 28th, 2023 AT 4:13 PM
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I don't see the video and if a fuse only has power on one side the fuse is no good. Do you have power at fuse f133? Please use this guide to check for power:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

Let me know, step by step we will fix this problem.
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Friday, December 29th, 2023 AT 10:52 AM
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Dang, I uploaded 2 videos and 3 photos of some connections hanging down that have never been plugged in. I don’t see fuse f133 on the map however all fuses and relays are working except for the following f2.46 f2.30, f2.31, f2.32, f2.33. The fuses are good just no voltage.
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Friday, December 29th, 2023 AT 11:20 AM
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Update: when I pulled a fuse out F246 there is power at the prong, but when I put a fuse in, I’ve tried several there’s no power on the end of the fuse, and I did see a little bitty spark when I put the fuse in I do have headlights, and the prong is live only when I turn the headlights on.
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Friday, December 29th, 2023 AT 11:29 AM
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Any ideas?
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Friday, December 29th, 2023 AT 11:02 PM
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It takes time for the images and videos to upload from your phone so give it time please. Did you see the fuse panel images in the post above, it does not have a f133 fuse? It sounds like the central fuse panel might be bad.
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Saturday, December 30th, 2023 AT 12:03 PM
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Yeah, I noticed that. So, I waited for each to upload before I did anything else. But all things are pointing that way. Can you show me on the chart where f133 is there is a number 33, but chart has it labeled f2.33. Anyways I’m not sure if I talked about how and when this happened. I was listening to music without the engine running. I have a pretty good sound system, so I thought I’d better start the motor to charge the battery. It was dead. I jumped it with a jumper box started fine. Drive home and when I went to start it was dead and hasn’t moved since. I tried to jump but got nothing. It’s just odd how it would have fried at that moment. I guess I’ll go to the junk yard and try to find a replacement. They don’t have any my year so do you know if any other years will match my truck?
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Saturday, December 30th, 2023 AT 1:13 PM
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Couple pics of inside fuse box does look burnt in one spot.
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Saturday, December 30th, 2023 AT 3:43 PM
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Sure, here is the fuse in question and you might have found the problem because the circuit board does not look good at all. Can I ask what is the production date of the truck, it should be in the driver's door.
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Sunday, December 31st, 2023 AT 1:53 PM
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Sorry for the delay, I ordered a fuse box it took a week. Put it in still nothing. Here is a pic of the sticker on inside door but it’s hard to read.
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Tuesday, January 9th, 2024 AT 9:06 PM
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Do you have power at the f113 fuse?
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Wednesday, January 10th, 2024 AT 4:29 PM
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There is no f113 fuse. At least nothing is labeled f1 anything on the diagram for my fuse box. They are f2. I just spoke to the Ford dealership. They don’t want to take my truck because it’s too old. He said this year of trucks having problems with the wiring harness or too much resistance in the battery cable. He also said the cable going from battery to battery I don’t know what that means as I only have one battery.
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Thursday, January 11th, 2024 AT 4:21 PM
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So, the latest update if you’re still with me. I decided to jump the starter by pulling the relay out. Which I’ve done before. But this time the truck actually fired up. Which scared me because I thought I had to turn the key to start or all the way forward, but it was just in run. Anyways put 1, 2, 3 new relays in no crank. I have people on me about moving this truck, so I decided for now the new key is a paper clip. I tapped everything back together and now I have no power at that starter relay. It will not jump or turn over at all. Some of the fuses on the right side no power.
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Friday, January 12th, 2024 AT 7:44 PM
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Also, I see where your diagram says f113not sure which 30amp fuse it is but I’ll check for power down that row.
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Friday, January 12th, 2024 AT 7:47 PM
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Do you have power at terminal 30 of the starter relay?

Please go over this guide:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

Please go over this guide and get back to us.
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Saturday, January 13th, 2024 AT 10:07 AM
Tiny
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Okay, I watched and read it all. Here’s the issue with helpful videos that are all over YouTube. Even the ford guys do this because they assuming the issue the view is having is the one that happens 95% of the time and they don’t tell what to do if the test is not conclusive. That other 5% is what happens to me 95% of the time so the video showed what to do when the test lights up on the internal circuit or prongs. It does not tell what to do if they do not light up. In short, I do not have power at 30 and 31. I also do not have power at 45. Included in the pics I’m sending fuses 113 and 116 only have power at one prong unless they are suppose to be that way. Fuse 103 has power at both prongs. And no power where starter relay is. There was power there earlier when I was able to jump it. So, I need to figure out wires in the cluster that supply power to those connections in the back of fuse box to the fuse location spots that have no power and trace wire in cluster for damage.
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Saturday, January 13th, 2024 AT 2:26 PM

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