Will not start is it the fuel pump or regulator?

Tiny
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My car ran out of fuel.
The person driving burn up the stater, replaced, new battery.
Car will not start. I need to know if it is the fuel regulator or the fuel pump.
I cannot locate the regulator.
I did a pressure test and I have zero pressure. I have checked the fuses and relays.

Thank you.
Thursday, June 8th, 2023 AT 4:51 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

If the fuses and relay are working and power reaches the pump, the pump is the problem. By chance, do you notice it prime when you first turn the key on?

As far as the regulator, that wouldn't prevent pressure. If it fails, the fuel pressure would do the opposite. It would be too high.

The fuel pump module contains the fuel pump, the fuel pressure regulator, and the fuel sender assembly. The fuel pressure regulator is attached to the FP module and regulates the pressure of the fuel supplied to the fuel injectors. This is in the fuel tank. I attached a pic below and highlighted the location of the regulator.

Let me know if this helps.

Take care,

joe

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Thursday, June 8th, 2023 AT 9:46 PM
Tiny
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Thank you, Joe. The information was helpful. The pump does prime but still has no pressure.
Could the line have air in it and if so, what is the procedure to get the air out?
I am leaning toward the pump at this time.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 6:14 PM
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Hi,

The fuel system really isn't affected by air simply because once pressure is supplied, the injectors allow the air to bleed off. In this case, it sounds like the pump is bad.

The good news is you don't need to remove the fuel tank to replace the pump. There is a service port under the rear seat.

I attached the directions below for replacing the pump. Note: One section of the directions indicates draining the tank. That isn't necessary because you aren't removing the tank, so just ignore that part.

In addition, here is a link that explains, in general, how one is replaced. I actually find it more helpful than the manual. LOL But, the manual is specific to your vehicle.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-electric-fuel-pump

Let me know if this helps or if you have questions.

Take care,

Joe

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Saturday, June 10th, 2023 AT 7:45 PM
Tiny
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Thank you Joe for your help.
I will update as soon as possible.
MXT
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Sunday, June 11th, 2023 AT 12:34 PM
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Hi,

You are very welcome. I hope it helps. I look forward to hearing the outcome.

Take care,

Joe
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Sunday, June 11th, 2023 AT 5:09 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe, this is MXT again.
I put a new fuel pump in and it has good pressure now.
I checked for spark at the coil, all is good.
I took the crank sensor off and check it with a muti meter and it has 295.6 ohms resistance.
It still won't start.
It will crank, no start.
Any ideas?
Thanks, MXT.
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Friday, June 16th, 2023 AT 3:20 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I need to start over. We need to determine if there is spark and fuel to the engine. Do this and let me know the results.

First, see if the engine starts with starting fluid. If it does and then stalls, we know it is a fuel-related issue. If there is no change, I need you to check for an ignition spark at the plugs.

Here is a link that explains how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

Let me know what you find. Also, if you could record it cranking and upload it for me to hear, it may help.

Take care,

Joe
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Friday, June 16th, 2023 AT 8:14 PM
Tiny
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I have good spark and good fuel pressure.
It will not start with starting fluid.
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Saturday, June 17th, 2023 AT 7:13 AM
Tiny
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The dash also says, check staring system.
I have a new battery and starter.
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Saturday, June 17th, 2023 AT 7:39 AM
Tiny
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Starting system.
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Saturday, June 17th, 2023 AT 7:40 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

Listening to the video, it doesn't sound like a compression or timing issue. If you have spark, fuel, compression, and the correct timing, it has no choice but to run. We are missing something simple. If you remove the spark plugs after trying to start it, are they wet with fuel?

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, June 17th, 2023 AT 10:16 PM
Tiny
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The plugs are dry. Do I need to reset the computer or pats system? Do you know the procedure?
I am stumped at this point.
Thank you.
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Monday, June 19th, 2023 AT 12:44 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If the plugs are dry, fuel isn't getting into the engine. I attached a pic below of the injectors. Each injector will have a white wire with a blue tracer. That wire (on any of the injector connector) should have battery voltage with the key in the run or start position. I need you to check that for me.

If it does, select the other wire at the injector which is what provides a ground via the PCM to complete the circuit and inject fuel. So, if the white/blue wire has power, we need to make sure there is a ground.

Take your test light and connect the alligator clip to the battery-positive terminal. Then, probe the ground wire at the connector with the test light. Have a helper crank the engine. When the engine is cranking, the test light should strobe on and off.

Let me know what you find. Keep in mind, this doesn't explain why starting fluid doesn't work, but you said there is spark at the plugs. If we find there is spark and the injectors are working, we need to check compression and timing. That is all that is left.

Let me know.

Take care,

Joe

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Monday, June 19th, 2023 AT 8:48 PM

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