Does not stay running stalls while driving in town

Tiny
JAMESDUB7
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  • 2005 KIA OPTIMA
  • 2.4L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 140,000 MILES
Vehicle cranks, starts, and runs fine for approximately 4-7 seconds and then shuts off. Will not continue to run. You can hear the fuel pump come on and run each time the switch is turned on. Everything else works fine except the engine just will not continue to run.
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Tuesday, October 1st, 2019 AT 4:46 PM

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Tiny
JOE F
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

It could be a few things. For example, although you hear the pump, it may not be producing enough pressure. Or, there could be an issue with the crankshaft position sensor which would lead to loss of ignition spark.

We need to be sure where the problem is coming from because the crank sensor is behind the timing belt cover and isn't a quick one to replace.

Take a look through these links. The explain what the crank sensor does, symptoms of a bad one, and in general how one is replaced.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-crank-shaft-angle-sensor-works

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-crankshaft-sensor

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/crankshaft-angle-sensor-replacement

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Next, if you feel that the sensor isn't the issue based on symptoms, check to see if the fuel pressure is within spec. Here is a link that explains how that is done.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Here are the manufacturer's specs for pressure:

Fuel Pressure
Vacuum hose disconnection .................... 330 - 350 kPa (47 - 50 psi) at Curb Idle
Vacuum hose connection .................... 270 kPa (38 psi) at Curb Idle

If the vehicle doesn't restart right away and you have to wait, check for ignition spark. If there is none, then suspect the sensor is bad.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

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I attached a picture of the crankshaft position sensor so you can see where it is located. Let me know if any of this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, October 1st, 2019 AT 7:45 PM
Tiny
JAMESDUB7
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Thank you for your answer, however after checking all of the above except replacing the crankshaft position sensor (since the car starts and runs perfectly for the 3-5 seconds, I couldn't believe it was that sensor since it was getting fire). After the car starts and runs a few times, I get a 340 code thrown. That is the camshaft position sensor and I have replaced it with a new one. I also replaced the connector since the old one came apart. However when replacing the sensor connector with the new one I could not remember exactly which wires went where. The original plug had three wires. Two black and one pink, but the replacement had three black.I tried to put them back the way I thought the had been, but I still get the 340 code, no matter how I switch them around. Could you tell me how to test them and tell which wire goes where on the sensor plug. At this time I have the pink one in the middle of the plug, but have no idea whether it's correct or not or whether the black ones are correct either. I've tried to check the wires to determine which of the black one is the ground, but haven't had any luck. One more question. When splicing the new connector wires to the original wires, can you just twist the wires together until you know which is correct and then solder seal them. Will they still make a good enough connection to determine if they are correctly connected to keep from taking them loose every time it throws the code? I know this is a long post, but I am down to my last vehicle to drive and it is a 35 year old S-10 with about 400,000 miles on it and could die at any time. Any help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks, Jay
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Tuesday, November 5th, 2019 AT 6:16 PM
Tiny
JOE F
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I attached a picture for you. It shows the plug orientation and what each pin should have. You will need to check the wires to determine which is ground (check for continuity to ground) the power and the last is the signal wire. this guide can help

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-stalls

Let me know if this helps.

Joe
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Tuesday, November 5th, 2019 AT 7:10 PM
Tiny
JOE F
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I attached a picture for you. It shows the plug orientation and what each pin should have. You will need to check the wires to determine which is ground (check for continuity to ground) the power and the last is the signal wire.

Let me know if this helps.

Joe
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Tuesday, November 5th, 2019 AT 7:10 PM
Tiny
JOE F
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I attached a pic for you. It shows the plug orientation and what each pin should have. You will need to check the wires to determine which is ground (check for continuity to ground) the power and the last is the signal wire.

Let me know if this helps.

Joe
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Tuesday, November 5th, 2019 AT 7:10 PM
Tiny
MMT_1990
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OK, so when I crank my car sometimes it will jump and not run smoothly while idling. I changed my spark plugs already. When I take my car out of park and put it on reverse or drive it will die. Not all the time but sometimes. And sometimes when I come to a stop sign and I accelerate it will act like it doesn't have much power. Any help would be appreciated.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
HMAC300
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Try cleaning the throttle plate with choke cleaner on both sides and iac hole
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
MMT_1990
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Is there anyway you could tell me where those 2 things would be located
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
HMAC300
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The throttle plate just follow the air duct from the air cleaner to engine. Then disconnect it the iac hole you will see on throttle body.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
NEESI970
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This first happened when driving at 45 mph.I was pressing gas pedal but car was suddenly not responsive (however, still running - it did not cut off), pressed harder and engine responded, but then it bottomed out again and when that happens it sounds like it is in the wrong gear. Each time I press the pedal harder, it responds and repeats the same behavior above. Check engine light did not come on. I pulled over to a stop, then started driving again and it still did the same thing. My brother thought it might be the throttle position sensor, which he replaced, but that did not work. He then disconnected & reconnected the battery and it ran/drove perfectly fine as if nothing ever happened until the next day. The exact same thing happened as the previous day. The cel still did not come on. He disconnected/reconnected the battery again and it drove fine to the repair shop. They say they cannot troubleshoot until the can get the car to do this again.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
ROY B
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Thats correct. You cannot fix something that is not broke. The next time it happens, you need to go to a shop right away.
The fact that you re set the computer means there may be an issue with the pcm or trans control module.

Roy
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
MMT_1990
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So just disconnect the hose running from the throttle body to the air filter cabin and clean it with carb/choke cleaner?
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
CRAB1957
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I have the same problem. But shop found no codes. How do I check pcm or trans control module?
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
HMAC300
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Yes if yo are really unsure go to tune up on the site here and I know they show the throttle plate and maybe a short video on how to do it.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
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PEDRO441
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The car has been running well, but this morning when I started the car, it started fine and idled normally for maybe 2 seconds before the check engine light came on and the engine stopped. It seems as though the engine computer runs some diagnostics and after finding a problem cuts fuel. Any thoughts?

Edit: Also, I can start the car with some throttle input (say 3000 rpm) and the car will shut down regardless. It doesn't seem to be a battery or idle issue.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
JOE F
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If the check engine light was on, there is a trouble code stored in the computer. See if you can rent a scanner to check for codes. The codes will identify where the problem is coming from. Some parts stores will rent the tool.

Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
JOSEPHAHOESCHE
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The car will stall and most of the time compression start right back up. Sometime it won't compression start and I have to pull over let it set a few minuets and it will start and away I go. After 10 miles or so it will run fine and I will not have any more problems until the car cools down completely. I get no check engine light when this happens.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
JOE F
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When the engine doesn't start, you need to check to see if there is both spark to the plugs and proper fuel pressure to the engine. My guess is the fuel pressure will be low, but you have to check to be sure.

Do that and let me know what you find. If you need directions, see our homepage under the DIY section. There are both directions and a video to help you.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
JOSEPHAHOESCHE
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I can not find a fuel pressure test port on my Kia Optima, from what I found online it may not have one.
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Monday, September 7th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM (Merged)
Tiny
JOE F
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Then it would have to be checked at the fuel filter.
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