Timing marks needed

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If you have a vacuum gauge, attach it to a manifold vac source, then raise the idle to 2000 rpm, watch the needle, if holds steady at 18-22 hg the exhaust is clear, if the gauge drops, the exhaust is clogged. Also test fuel pump pressure.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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Hi, Ok to make sure it wasnt my exhaust I took one of the cats I have here and completly gutted it and put it on the car and its still no changed it will start and run rough up until 3000 rpm but I cant always get it to 3000 rpm it sometimes takes a few tries of starting it before I can achevie the 3000 rpm mark. And as far as fuel pressure I tested it the other day and got a normal reading on it. Any other suggestions will be appreciated Thanks In Advance.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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Possibly the timing is off Check this way: 1. Connect NGS scan tool to DLC-2 located under left side of instrument panel, right of steering
column. See Fig. 12. Connect a jumper wire between terminals TEN and GND at DLC-1 in
engine compartment. See Fig. 13.
2. Ensure idle speed is correct. See IDLE SPEED under IDLE SPEED & MIXTURE. On all
models except Millenia 2.3L, connect timing light to high-tension lead No. 1. On Millenia
2.3L, connect Inductive Timing Light (49-T018-002) lead to ignition timing checking harness
(Black/White wire) located next to engine compartment relay box. See Fig. 11. Start engine
and allow it to idle. Check timing. See IGNITION TIMING SPECIFICATIONS table. See
Fig. 14.
Fig. 11: Identifying Ignition Timing Checking Harness
Courtesy of MAZDA MOTORS CORP.
3. On all models except Millenia 2.5L, if ignition timing is not within specification, check CMP
sensor, CKP sensor, TP sensor, ECT sensor and transmission range switch. See appropriate
SYSTEM & COMPONENT TESTING article. If all sensors and switches are okay, replace
PCM.
4. On Millenia 2.5L, if ignition timing is not within specification, loosen distributor lock bolt.
Rotate distributor until timing marks align. Tighten lock bolt. Recheck timing.
NOTE: Standard inductive timing light may not work on ignition timing
checking harness. Recommend using manufacturers Inductive
Timing Light (49-T018-002) or equivalent.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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Hi, How do I set the timming on this engine I know the harmonic balancer timming mark is to be lined up with the T on the timming cover but how are the two cams suppose to be lined up and which lines do I used the notches or the dots.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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Well I was talking about setting the timing, not installing belts. But here it is
Put #1 cylinder at top dead center, then the marks should align this way. ALWAYS install a new tensioner the spring gets cut cover time and WILL FAIL, MAzd has an upgraded spring now.
1. Ensure all timing marks are aligned. See Fig. 10.
2. Install timing belt around crankshaft sprocket, water pump sprocket, idler pulley, and camshaft
sprockets. Ensure slack does not exist on idler pulley side of timing belt.
3. Complete timing belt installation on slack (tensioner) side. With tensioner spring removed,
allow tensioner to ride against timing belt. Turn crankshaft 2 revolutions in normal direction of
rotation (clockwise). Ensure camshaft and crankshaft timing marks are still correctly aligned.
See Fig. 5. If not correctly aligned, timing belt will have to be removed and repositioned.
4. If all timing marks are okay, turn tensioner clockwise using an Allen wrench. Connect
tensioner spring to pin on engine block. See Fig. 11. Turn crankshaft 2 revolutions. Ensure
camshaft and crankshaft timing marks are still aligned. See Fig. 5.
5. To install remaining components, reverse removal procedure. When installing valve cover
gasket, apply small amount of silicone sealer to 4 corners of gasket where the front of both
camshafts go through cylinder head. See Fig. 12. Tighten valve cover bolts to specification in
correct sequence. See Fig. 13. Adjust drive belts to proper tension.
6. Inspect crankshaft position sensor air gap. Air gap between outer edge of crankshaft pulley
rotor tooth and center of CKP sensor should be 0.029-0.059" (0.5-1.5 mm). See Fig. 14. Air
gap is not adjustable. If gap is incorrect, check for damaged parts.
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1. Ensure all timing marks are aligned. See Fig. 10.
2. Install timing belt around crankshaft sprocket, water pump sprocket, idler pulley, and camshaft
sprockets. Ensure slack does not exist on idler pulley side of timing belt.
3. Complete timing belt installation on slack (tensioner) side. With tensioner spring removed,
allow tensioner to ride against timing belt. Turn crankshaft 2 revolutions in normal direction of
rotation (clockwise). Ensure camshaft and crankshaft timing marks are still correctly aligned.
See Fig. 5. If not correctly aligned, timing belt will have to be removed and repositioned.
4. If all timing marks are okay, turn tensioner clockwise using an Allen wrench. Connect
tensioner spring to pin on engine block. See Fig. 11. Turn crankshaft 2 revolutions. Ensure
camshaft and crankshaft timing marks are still aligned. See Fig. 5.
5. To install remaining components, reverse removal procedure. When installing valve cover
gasket, apply small amount of silicone sealer to 4 corners of gasket where the front of both
camshafts go through cylinder head. See Fig. 12. Tighten valve cover bolts to specification in
correct sequence. See Fig. 13. Adjust drive belts to proper tension.
6. Inspect crankshaft position sensor air gap. Air gap between outer edge of crankshaft pulley
rotor tooth and center of CKP sensor should be 0.029-0.059" (0.5-1.5 mm). See Fig. 14. Air
gap is not adjustable. If gap is incorrect, check for damaged parts.
Also CHANGE the tensioner or you will do the job again!
Put #1 piston at TOP DEAD CENTER.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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Hi, I had asked about the timing belt installtion because I noticed that on the engine I installe the cam gears had only one lobe I guess you can call it on the gears themself where as the protege engine cam gears has three of them for the sensor to read so I went ahead and swapped them out and I have all the timming marks lined up I even doubled checked after trying to start the car with no sucess all its doing is turning over and will occasionally make a loud noise like its backfiring out of the throttle body and it smells kinda burnt when it does that I took the valve cover back off today to make sure the belt didnt slip and it has all marks are lining up on the cam gears and the crankshaft but it wont start now any suggestions.

Thank You In Advnace
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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Is the number one piston at TDC with marks lined up? If it's a bottom, timing is out by 180 degrees. Also if either sensor was damaged during the swap it will cause this.
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Hi, I noticed something else about two minutes ago I pulle dmy spark plug back out only to find all four of them fuel soaked and fuel sitting on top of the pistons so im guess its not firing now.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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Hi, Yes number one is at tdc I checked it again not too long ago and I just swapped both snesors out and its still having the same problem is there anyway I can post a picture of it so you can see it.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM (Merged)
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If the motor is fuel soaked so bad that gas is sitting on the pistons, a plug, oil and filter change is needed, then check for fuel in the pressure regulator vacuum line, if there is any, replace the regulator.
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:56 PM (Merged)
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Hi, Ok heres the update what I needed to do was change the cam gears from the old protege engine to the new one I got from the 626 after doing that I had made a mistake and put the intake cam on wrong so thats why she wouldnt start but I corrected that and now shes running fine except for a leaking radiator hose that ill get tomorrow from oreillys so for anyone out there that reads this you can put a mazda 626 2.0l motor in a 2001-2003 protege 2.0l just change all exterior componets such as intake manifold, exhaust manifold, harmonic balancer, all electrical items, and most of all the cam gears then you'll be setand I thank everyone for helping my figure out this problem especially you merlin2021 your timming belt diagram is what made me take a second look at the cam gears.

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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:56 PM (Merged)
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Hi, Also Neede to add this the reason I had to change to cam gears were because the ones on the 626 engine have only one lobe on them for the cam sensor to read while the protege engine has three lobes on it for it to read.
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Good work!
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Tuesday, April 14th, 2020 AT 6:56 PM (Merged)
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Man I wish I had found this sooner! I did the exact same thing. I put a 626 motor into a Protege and had the exact same symptoms as EBAYGALANT. I checked the cam gears and sure as $h!T the 626 engine has only one lobe on them for the cam sensor to read while the Protege engine has three lobes. I owe you one EBAYGALANT lol! THIS SITE RULES!
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