Solenoid and new engine

Tiny
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Our car just stopped running out of the blue. They said the think it’s one of 2 things: 1) the solenoid needs replaced or 2) the whole engine needs replaced. One of the two banks is not firing. That seems extreme to need a new engine?
Friday, April 30th, 2021 AT 3:59 AM

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Tiny
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This could be depending on what they are meaning by solenoid. I assume they mean the phaser which controls the variable valve system. Here is a guide that talks about this:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-camshaft-variable-valve-timing-works

However, I would expect there to be some codes that went with this. If not we need to check before go with either of these repairs because they are pretty large repair.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

The fact that they are saying one full bank is not firing would point to a common issue which would be the cam phaser but to jump to a complete engine, there would need to be more info saying that is the issue.

Sounds like they did not dig very far into the issue to give such a broad suggestion.

Did they drain the oil and look for metal or remove the phaser and inspect as shown below?

If they did not, I would suggest getting a second or third opinion as this doesn't sound very definitive unless there was more info.

Let us know. Thanks
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Saturday, May 1st, 2021 AT 8:50 AM
Tiny
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Yup, it was the VVT solenoid. And there a number of cam phaser codes that came up. Does that sound like an engine replacement?
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Saturday, May 1st, 2021 AT 11:10 AM
Tiny
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I should also note that they said that they could replace the VVT solenoid or dig around more but then I’d spend 1,000s of dollars on all of that and I’d probably need a new engine anyways.
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Saturday, May 1st, 2021 AT 11:19 AM
Tiny
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Sounds like I would get a second opinion.

I assume they are assuming that the phaser failed due to metal contamination. If that is the case then it may need a motor but if they didn't drain the oil or drop the pan to look at bearings then I would not put a motor in it yet.

Please let us know what the actual codes are and maybe that will help explain their reasoning.
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Sunday, May 2nd, 2021 AT 6:16 PM
Tiny
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Codes were:
P0015 Camshaft Sensor
P0017 Camshaft position correlation bank 1
P0301 No 1 cylinder misfire
P0300 Random misfire

Thank you for the help!
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Sunday, May 2nd, 2021 AT 6:59 PM
Tiny
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If these are the only codes then there would have to be more info for them to jump to an engine. Did they give reasoning for them to suspect the engine?

Sorry if I am missing something but I don't see how they got to these conclusions with this info.

They may not be poor mechanics but just poor communicators but either way, I would be seeking a second opinion. If you have more info on how they got to this conclusion, I would appreciate it.
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Monday, May 3rd, 2021 AT 8:32 PM

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