Engine is a no crank over?

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So do you have power to the purple wire at the starter with the key in the start position?
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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No on the starter relay with the key in start position the main red yellow and black, and orange and black are hot + 12.04 volts I think the yellow and black tracer wire is to go to - ground when the key goes to start position
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The output wire out of the starter relay is purple that is the trigger wire to the starter. Is there battery voltage at the starter with the key in the start position?That would tell us if the starter relay was working and giving power to the starter.
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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No purp wire out of relay has no power. Hevy red wire has power. Orange w/black tracer ((((nss)) has power. Yellow w/black tracer has positive power(((( pcmwire)))) when key is in start position. I allso have no messages on driver cent like security or battery
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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Alright while the key is in the start position do you have a ground going to the yellow and black wire at the crank relay?
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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Hi. My chevy venture 1999 does not start sometimes. The gas pump would not start, although the starter would and all the accessories. A garage changed the gas pump with no success. It never dies while running. Unfortunately, the car would start when I bring it to the garage and they do not want to work on something that runs

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Franà ois
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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With intermittent issues, you have to test when problem is ongoing. Engine cranking, gray wire at pump connector should be hot. Black wire is ground for pump motor, check that also. Note diagram below.
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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No yellow and black is for some reason positive
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The neutral safety switch supplys power to the crank relay trigger from the orange and black wire. Then the yellow and black wire to the crank relay has to supply the ground to the trigger of the relay for the relay to work. The yellow and black wire is the actual ground trigger from the pcm. The purple wire out of the pcm/crank fuse should have power with the key in the crank position that goes to the pcm.
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Yes the purple wire out of the ecm is hot when the key is in the start position
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What about the other wires I mentioned in my last reponse?
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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The orange &black is hot and the purple from crank fuse is hot when key is in start position.I checked continuity through this wire all the way to pcm it is good have 12.10 volts at pcm
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Is the yellow and black wire sending a ground from pcm to the crank relay will cranking?
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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No it is still positive
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See if its shorted to power somewhere?Is it only power while cranking?
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No it is hot when key is run position also
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Sounds like the problem is the wire thats supposed to feed the starter relay with a ground from the pcm is giving power instead.I posted a circuit description plus a trouble tree. Foloow the trouble tree and let me know what you find.
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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Problem does a tech 2 scan tool the only one that will show the passlock enabel code
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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I would say a tech2 scan tool or more advanced scan tools that do body air bags tire monitor etc. So is the security light on when trying to start it?
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Monday, January 25th, 2021 AT 9:47 AM (Merged)
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No security light does not come on at all nor does any othere message in the message center
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