Idle not low enough and rough

Tiny
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You might need to disconnect throttle linkage then adjust carb for the idle then reconnect/adjust linkage so it will work.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 11:37 AM
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I just tried it with the arm that controls the linkage disconnected. Doesn't move any further. Look at the pictures of the throttle arm disconnected and screw turned out. There is also nothing blocking the arm from moving down.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 11:48 AM
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Take the carb off and see if the screw gets any closer to where it is supposed to meet if it does then there is either a gasket or intake problem that the butterflies are hanging up on
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 1:12 PM
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Ok. And if it doesn't what would be the course of action? Also this carb has a lifetime warranty from guaranteed carburetors, so I can always send it back.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 1:30 PM
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I dont' know what to tell you as I can't see it to make my own determination. I would guess get another carb.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 1:33 PM
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OK,

I'm going with the metering rods maybe being adjusted incorrectly or been held upside down while the throttle was actuated.

Before we "Dig In"

Snatch the clip off of this linkage, pull the linkage out of the arm.

See if the screw will 'back out' and the shaft rotates more closed

I made a special pic for you below.

We might also use this old carb to show how to adjust what's under the cover if we need to.

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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 1:47 PM
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Please see image with notes. Are you sure it's not already at the lowest idle point, and maybe the air mixture screws are out of adjustment? Don't know what to make of it at this point.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 2:52 PM
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It's also a brand new carb from the place I mentioned before. Bought it about 6 months ago.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 2:53 PM
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Idle screws only smooth the idle out and not determine the rpm of idle. As yousay it runs rough you should at least try what I suggested as the plates may be to big not allowing it to close as it should. This carb wasn't only used on jeeps it was very popular with most Chrysler products as well. Beside you migh tfind that the reason of the rough idle is due to a vacuum leak. With all I've gone through on this I really suggest you take it to a mechanic who can actually see what is going on. As it seems no help at all on here.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 3:27 PM
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Perhaps this is due to the vacuum setup. I'm not sure if some of the hoses are even in the right place. The hose from the distributor is connected to a t shaped plastic piece. The two locations on the carb that some say the hose from the distributor should connect into are not connected to the distributor hose. Ideally I'd like to get rid of these hoses and keep only what is necessary to run the engine smoothly.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 3:39 PM
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Here are two pics one other thing and this is the last i'll answer is to pinch off vacuum line to canister purge see if itchanges if it does the solenoid there is shot as it should n't work at idle. Two pics for system.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 3:48 PM
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I don't know what you spent on your carb.

I asked you earlier a few questions, you kinda responded back with eliminating stuff is no problem.

Your rig is over 30 years old (mine are older). Things just don't work as they used to, if they work at all!

The Carb/ engine set up you have was used from '83-'86 on CJs.

In my opinion, the better CJs were made from '79-'81. They finally got everything right and Everything was really simple (or EZily made simpler).

My present daily driver is a '77 CJ-5, I have pretty much upgraded it to like a '79 (and made even other modifications without straying too far from a basic stock Jeep.

The '79 carb has no stepper/ no primitive computer control (which won't work correctly if all of the input stuff ain't connected/ working, thus rendering it's purpose useless and even what's left as "Default" lacks in proper operation.

Most folks that come to me with terrible running Jeep are sorta roped into doing most of the (EZ) work, and tuning with me explaining/ showing/ using my tools to get theirs all fixed up. I kinda do this to them so they can maybe diagnose and repair their on problems in the future. 99% of them are very grateful and I come out good myself!

Most of the time this may take a couple or three visits, most leave with a new carb (THEY INSTALLED), a lot less vacuum lines, all new tune-up parts, Maintenance on stuff neglected forever and confidence that the job was done well, the ability to diagnose and even make simple repairs. Usually they obtain a manual and learn how to use it!

I'm not selling parts, they go obtain them. I sorta learned this form of repairing and camaraderie down at the Automotive Rec Service Center where I worked on my 1st two Jeeps during my limited spare time as a U.S. Army Airborne Ranger.

Do what you gotta do, but a '79 BBD will run your Jeep just fine and it has no stepper. This link below is a NEW (not rebuilt w/ worn parts) Carb. These are found here and there on the site, Of the dozen or so that were ordered in the past couple of years have been identical. Other than tightening some of the body screws to my liking, I have had no problems with 'em even though they are copy cats.

The price is right and this one has free shipping. What a Deal!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-Barrel-Jeep-Carburetor-BBD-6-CYL-4-2L-258CU-Engine-AMC-Carb-Carter-Type-US-/182061362581?hash=item2a63b3ed95:g:YQ8AAOSwMORW7xZa&vxp=mtr

Now, if you wanna play with yours some more.

The Mix screws are not for IDLE speed per say, They get the air/ fuel mix right. The idle screw is for idle speed. Getting mad and forcing them in, kinda ruins the carb!

This was from a good while back.

It may could be re-written better.

I'm aiding a feller with a 304, I'm using my 258 as a demonstrator. Cool thing here is that all you have to do is rule out the 304 portions! Pretty much an old school 1 cylinder- a 12 cylinder sorta tunes the same. Here's the link.

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/jeep-cj7-1985-jeep-cj7-stalls-when-hot

Return with news!

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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 5:48 PM
Tiny
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Ok great. Thanks for the information. The link shows me how to reroute the vacuum system with the existing carburetor right?

So whether I switch to a 79' bbd with no stepper, or eliminate the computer and stepper on mine, I would be left with the same result right? Either way, would I have to adjust the timing after whatever option I choose? Also, have you heard of the nutter bypass? It's a way to get rid of the stepper motor and rewire the carb and engine to run without the computer and stepper motor while keeping the same carburetor. Not sure if the nutter bypass would be better than getting the 79' bbd.

If I go the 79' bbd route, how do I get rid of the computer and other unnecessary parts to get the engine to run right?
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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 7:28 PM
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The computer is tied into ignition stuff (not the carb).

We'll just continue to call a "79's systems "The Standard"! (TS)

TS's and nearby models ran 4 wires from the ignition module, 3 went to the distributor, one dropped off to the coil.

Later stuff ran some of these wires into the fire wall to the computer, then they popped back out mostly to the distributor.

Pretty much, the Nutter whacks 'em loose on the Newer CJs, and puts 'em back like the ole "TS" system.

Days ago another CJ came on board with a problem, it shifted more towards the Nutter issue.

It seems that we all get to jumping around all over the place and don't finish the issue at hand!

Here's a link to that one, READ IT, DON'T get all involved till we get the carb issue better! I think It was hard for this guy to understand my southern hillbilly kinda lingo.

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/ignition-issue-3069929

I only make suggestions!

Return stepper carb for refund, probably more than enough to obtain an Ebay special (and spares!)?

Way back, I told you we could run on just a few vacuum lines, we can do this.

Did you soak in any of the Tune up on the 304?

Are you understanding the stuff I'm shoveling?

The Medic

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Sunday, May 7th, 2017 AT 8:14 PM
Tiny
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I am understanding the things you are telling me. So basically, I'm thinking of just buying the 79 BBD that you sent the link for. Just to make sure I got this right: Once the carb is installed, we route the vacuum lines per your recommendations on the previous post. Once the vacuum lines are rerouted, we tune the engine and take care of the timing is that right?

Only thing is, once I get the 79' BBD what do I do with all that wiring for the stepper motor and the computer that we no longer need? Also, the 79' BBD has an automatic choke right? I don't want to install a manual choke.
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Monday, May 8th, 2017 AT 12:04 PM
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If I were there, I might help you clip away the unnecessary wires, sorta cap off anything live. Sometimes my victims get 'skeered'! With all of the drastic changes going on under their hood. So we simply bundle up the excess wires and tape/ zip tie 'em out of the way. This seems to soothe them thinking that 'it could be re-installed' if the planets in the solar system didn't line up. We'll stick with that plan!

So,

With all of that said, in the end you will have 3 necessary vacuum lines (as far as vacuum lines go, only 3 that could leak, only 3 to ever replace)

We will cap off unused vacuum ports on the carb and any on the manifold that are not needed (Some folks like to cap the dead stuff too)

A basic BBD, lesser expensive, with no extra bells and whistles (that probably did not work anymore)

We'll Nutter your ignition wiring

Beings that all of the over-engineered stuff is gone or dismantled,

Your Jeep now will have the characteristics of a '79, We will tune it using '79 specs!

How's all of this sound?

Send me a pic of your ignition module to include it's own wires and connectors. No need to un-install it.

The Medic
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Monday, May 8th, 2017 AT 4:09 PM
Tiny
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Ok so I ordered the 79 bbd. Will be here Friday. Next step would be to install and follow vacuum line routing from your diagrams in the other post you sent me the link to, right?
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Monday, May 8th, 2017 AT 8:10 PM
Tiny
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Nice jeep pics. Are they all yours?
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Monday, May 8th, 2017 AT 8:15 PM
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Send a good pic of the fender side of your intake manifold (need to see the middle well)

Show me where the brake booster gets it's vacuum.

Show me where PCV is getting it's vacuum.

MY JEEPS! '77 and '46 are both legal drivers, my buddy and I have sorta personal Willys salvage yard in the field behind his house.

I'll draw you up a vacuum diagram.

Vacuum caps:

1" long fuel line, whatever size needed (better than vac line) with short bolts for the actual cap stuffed in one end.

OR

Vinyl (usually colored caps) I think harbor Freight had 'em cheap.

Refrain from Rubber Vacuum Caps- They seem to rot pretty fast and you'll have a vacuum leak on an unused port (you will probably overlook it for a while). This will affect your performance, you will not catch it right off, pretty much you will not be a happy camper!

We will still need to address the IGN module stuff too.

Send a Pic of your "full" IGN module, wanna see the wires and connectors in the shot (you can leave it hooked up)

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Tuesday, May 9th, 2017 AT 4:09 PM
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Ok, so the pvc breather connects to the carburetor with a connection piece on it that has wires going into it. The brake booster connects into something below the carb and above the EGR. See pics.
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Wednesday, May 10th, 2017 AT 4:05 PM

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