Heater not working properly

Tiny
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You should be feeling heat in the vehicle. However, I'm surprised the temp dropped that much. Are you getting any heat in the vehicle?
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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From the two passenger vents, only the small vent next to door is actually hot whenever I have the temperature all the way up. The passenger front vent is lukewarm, and the two driver side vents are cold, no heat whatsoever.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
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Something has come apart. If you have full air flow and control over the mode door, something isn't allowing the heat to enter. There is only one heater core. If you have heat on one and not the others, it's not a core issue. You have replaced the air temp actuator. I have one more suggestion. Try this self diagnostic test and see if any codes show up.

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2008 Honda Accord V6-3.5L
Heating/Air Conditioning
Vehicle Heating and Air Conditioning Testing and Inspection Reading and Clearing Diagnostic Trouble Codes Heating/Air Conditioning
HEATING/AIR CONDITIONING
General Troubleshooting Information

How to Use the Self-diagnostic Function

The HVAC control unit has a self-diagnostic function for heating, ventilation, and air conditioning system. To run the self-diagnostic function, do the following:

1. Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0) and then to ON (II).
2. Set the FAN CONTROL dial to OFF, the TEMPERATURE CONTROL dial on Max Cool, and select the VENT mode.
3. Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0) and then to ON (II).
4. Press and hold the RECIRCULATION CONTROL button, then within 10 seconds press and release the REAR WINDOW DEFOGGER/MIRROR DEFOGGER button five times. Release the RECIRCULATION CONTROL button; the recirculation indicator blinks two times, then the self-diagnostic begins.

NOTE:
- The blower motor will run at various speeds when in the self-diagnostic mode.
- If there is any problem in the system after the self-diagnostic function is finished, the recirculation indicator blinks Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) 1 through 15. In the case of multiple problems, the recirculation indicator blinks in order with the lowest number DTC repeatedly.
- If no DTCs are found, the indicator does not blink.

Pic 1

1 - 15

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Clear the DTCs

When the problem is repaired, DTCs will automatically clear.

Max Cool Position Function

When the mode control button is in the MAX A/C position, the HVAC control unit will automatically select the recirculation mode and turn the A/C on. If the recirculation switch is pressed when in MAX A/C, MAX A/C turns off. If A/C is pressed when in MAX A/C, the A/C turns off.
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Let me know what you find
Joe
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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So I took my car to the dealer once again because the timing belt needed replacement and I told them that I had flushed the heater core myself and explained that it seemed like there was no clog at all. They checked the car again for the heater issue when they replaced the timing belt and they told me that everything looked good, the blend doors all worked, the vents were properly working and they’re more than sure that the heater is clogged. They told me that once it is flushed, one must run the car for 8-9 hours, not just drive it around for a bit like I did. How legit does this sound?
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
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Once the engine reaches operating temp and there are no air locks, that should be all that's needed. I never heard of driving 8 to 9 hours to check the heater core or to make it operate.

If I recall, when you flushed it, the water flowed freely in both directions. If that is correct, that isn't any indication of a heater core issue. Are both heater core hoses getting hot now?

Let me know.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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That is what I thought when he initially shared that information. Every other place I have looked at have said just to wait until the car to reach operating temperature, I am pretty sure it should not take that long.

I did not check the heater hose temperatures before doing the flush, but a couple of weeks ago I did check with a heat gun and they were around 130 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
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Hi,

That's a little cooler than I would expect at operating temperature, but you should be getting heat. I have a feeling this is a blend door actuator issue.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
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I am assuming it is the passenger side blend door, I only checked the driver side one and it is functioning properly. The heater hoses should be checked while the heater is on, correct? I think I might have checked them with the AC on.
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Hi,

Check the heater hoses with the engine at operating temp and the heater on.

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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So I went ahead and turned on my car, let it sit for about 15 minutes till it got to operating temperature, with the heater on high. Used my heat gun to check both hoses going into the firewall, top hose read 138 degrees, the bottom hose read 124 degrees.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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I also went ahead and checked all the vents, the small drivers side vent near the door read 43 degrees, the front drivers vent read 51 degrees, front passengers vent read 68 degrees, and the small passengers side vent near the door read 92 degrees.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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If you had 92 degrees at one point, something is going on in the HVAC box. I want to say mode actuator, but at this point, I would have to remove the assembly and check to see if something is broken, disconnected, not getting power and so on.

Take a look at the pic I attached. It shows both actuators that have been in question. One is the mode door actuator which directs air flow direction. The other is the air temp actuator. At this point, I hate to ask again, but is the manual HVAC or automatic?

If you had 93 degrees at one point, the heater core isn't plugged. You wouldn't be getting heat if it was. Interestingly, if you had them replace the heater core, they would have to remove the HVAC box.

Let me know if you have confirmed both of these actuators are working.

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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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Yes, the vent that is blowing 93 degrees has always been hot, that is the small passengers side vent near the door, but it is the only vent that blows hot. I only checked the actuator under the steering wheel as I changed the temperature from hot to cold, it was moving and functioning properly. I have not checked the actuator on the passenger side because I do not know how to get to it from under the glovebox. I believe it is an automatic HVAC, what is the difference between manual and automatic?
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Hi,

Automatic VS Manual is simple. With an automatic system, you pick a temp and the system maintains that temp. With a manual, the air temp coming into the vehicle is controlled by the driver via the blend air door.

I attached a pic showing both actuators.

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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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I have this setup:
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If I can tell, it looks like the one button indicates auto, which would be the automatic climate control.

You know, a thought just came into my mind. If I remember (and bear with me. It's 2:11am here) there was an issue with a sand like material in the engine block cooling system from when these were new. I wonder it that is blocking parts of the heater core and hasn't come out when you flushed it.

It's just a thought. I'm a bit tired at this point. LOL

Joe
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
Tiny
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Well like you said, if I am getting some heat then the heater core may not be plugged. I have yet to check the passenger side blend door simply because it seems to be covered and somewhat difficult to get to.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 10:46 AM
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I totally understand. I can't tell you how many times it felt like I was standing on my head to access actuators. Not only are the hidden, but also there is usually hardly any room to work on them. I miss the old mechanical cables. They were much easier to deal with.
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