Will not start after replacing the fuel filter

Tiny
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I just installed a new fuel filter. When I put the fuel pump fuse back in, I turned the key to the on position, waited for the fuel pump to stop then tried to start it. It won't start after several tries.
It did seem to run longer than I expected when I removed the fuel pump fuse. Could it be there's still not enough fuel in the line, or enough pressure?
Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021 AT 4:54 PM

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Tiny
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Hello,

It is a good idea to cycle the key back and forth few times. Turn the key to the on position to have the pump run then repeat few times. This allow the pump to properly prime the line.

It is possible that you have air trapped in the line and priming the pump few times typically takes care of it.

I have attached the fuel filter replacement procedure below, take a look at it, just in case you have missed something.

Let me know of any questions.
Thank you.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-change-a-fuel-filter
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Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021 AT 8:03 PM
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Thanks for the quick reply! I'll try your method with the ignition key in the morning. I do think it's a matter of being primed or possibly air in the line.

I'll keep you posted.

Thank you!
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Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021 AT 8:19 PM
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Sounds good. You are welcome.
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Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021 AT 9:58 PM
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Hello.

I tried the key turning method with no luck. On recommendation from a friend who is a retired mechanic, I disconnected the outlet gas line to see if there was gas flowing through the filter. When I took off the line gas spurted out. So, there was pressure there. I then turned the key to see if the fuel pump was working, and yes, it is. Fuel squirted out as normal.

Still won't start. It's hard to determine whether it's still not fully primed if there's air in the system or something else altogether.

Please help!

Thank you!
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Thursday, November 4th, 2021 AT 12:10 PM
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And yes, I checked again to make sure the filter is installed in the proper position for correct flow.
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Thursday, November 4th, 2021 AT 12:11 PM
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I also - just for kicks - took out two spark plugs. Both had gas on the ends. Could it be flooded? If so, does the old method of holding the gas pedal to the floor while cranking still work?
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Thursday, November 4th, 2021 AT 12:32 PM
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If you have excessive gas on the plugs, they will not fire, and the engine will not start.
Check the rest of the plugs. Clean them out and give it another try. Holding the pedal won't do anything on a fuel injected vehicle, besides if the plugs are already soaked with fuel, you do not want to add any more.
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Thursday, November 4th, 2021 AT 12:59 PM
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Thank you! I'll dry off the plugs and try again. They are new plugs as of a week ago. I do have a misfire on cylinder 3, but the engine's been running pretty well in spite of it.

Back to you soon.
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Thursday, November 4th, 2021 AT 1:16 PM
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Dried out the spark plugs by wiping them off and setting them in the sun for almost two hours. Sun here in Nevada is intense, and we have very low humidity. There's also a good breeze blowing. I think they are dry.

Any particular method you recommend for attempting to start the engine so I don't re-flood the spark plugs?
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Thursday, November 4th, 2021 AT 3:42 PM
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Nothing special, just try to start it and if it does not start after one maybe two tries check one of the plugs to see if it is wet again. This can tell you that there is too much fuel getting into the engine.
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Thursday, November 4th, 2021 AT 8:04 PM
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Thanks! I have a meeting this morning and will try to start the engine after.
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Friday, November 5th, 2021 AT 7:07 AM
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Let me know how it turns out.
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Friday, November 5th, 2021 AT 10:57 AM
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Will do.
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Friday, November 5th, 2021 AT 11:00 AM
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Hello,

Still no luck. I pulled plug number one after about three tries to start the engine. It is indeed soaked in gas.

As an aside: About three years ago I had a problem with a 2004 Mitsubishi. One morning it just wouldn't fire up. I did a bunch of things, including replacing the fuel pump. Still no start. After some investigation into an unfamiliar light on the dash a car with a key through it. I found out simply changing the battery inside the ignition key was the magic switch.

I did that today in hopes it would work. It did not.

What's next?
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Friday, November 5th, 2021 AT 2:03 PM
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It might be a good idea to check the fuel pressure. You might be getting too much fuel due to an issue with the regulator.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Did you have any issues before the filter change?
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Saturday, November 6th, 2021 AT 8:02 PM
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I've had an ongoing misfire of cylinder #3 for months. I was told compression was less than half of normal. At first, it would idle down at stop lights, etc, and sometimes stall. I replaced plugs, ignition coils and cleaned the throttle body. The misfire was still there, but no longer had problems with stalling. RPMs at idle in drive were at 600-700. The car ran well considering the misfire. At higher speeds it seemed to even out and was even "peppy". It was like that just before I replaced the fuel filter.

The filter change is very simple. It's accessible easily right under the driver's side door. Simple as it is, I consulted a few YouTube videos for the procedure. Both instructed to start the engine, pull the fuel pump fuse and wait till the engine stops, thus releasing pressure in the line. I did all that, changed the filter (the old one rattled) replaced the fuse and the engine wouldn't start. In both videos it only took the normal loading of the fuel line (key to on and wait for the fuel pump to stop) to start the engine.

One thing I noticed was that each vehicle in the videos stopped running within just a few seconds of pulling the fuse. Mine kept running for maybe up to 15 seconds before it stopped. This made me think the line wasn't primed enough and needed more fuel. I probably flooded it myself trying to prime the system.

I did remove the line from the fuel filter to the engine and there was decent pressure. While the line was off, I also turned the key to "on" so the fuel pump would run. Which it did, again with decent pressure. Fuel came squirting out of the filter.

My difficulty with checking fuel pressure is I haven't been able to locate the valve. Given the engine has direct injection, I think the fuel rail is under the cylinder head with the fuel injectors.?

Please let me know your thoughts.
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Sunday, November 7th, 2021 AT 8:48 AM
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Per my message from this morning, I checked two plugs: #1 and #5. #1 was dry, #5 had just a tiny bit of gas on the rim where the threads start - the firing portion was dry. I want to give it a try, but I need to hear your recommendation first. I don't want to mess up what I may have finally corrected.

Thanks, Brian
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Sunday, November 7th, 2021 AT 1:49 PM
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Just to jump in on this as I have been burned with similar things. If you found the plugs wet, then more than likely they are fouled. Have you changed the plugs out or just dried them? Normally once they are fouled, they tend not to produce the spark needed to get an engine started.

Now that they are not strong enough the PCM is still dumping the normal amount of fuel needed to start the engine, so it just compounds the issue.

What I would do is start with trying a clear flood start. This info is attached below which is where you just hold the accelerator to the floor and start the engine. This will cut 80% of the fuel delivered and the engine may start. More than likely, it will take a long crank before it does because it is far less fuel then normal but if it does, then you need to change the plugs.

Even if this doesn't get the engine to start, you will most likely need to change the plugs because they may be so fouled at this point that they have completely failed.

You can test this by pulling one out and hold it against the block and see how bright and blue the spark is.

However, assuming this happened immediately after changing the filter and the engine was running prior, the only way I can explain it is you had a restricted filter and the plugs had worn to the point that they had weak spark already. Then you remove the restriction in the filter that a full load of fuel just wipes out the weak spark.

If this theory is correct, then you should see some positive results with the clear flood start and/or replacing the plugs.

Thanks
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Monday, November 8th, 2021 AT 8:21 AM
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Hello Kenny!

Thanks for the reply! My previous contact - Brian - and I went through much of what you recommend. After drying the plugs, I did use the "gas pedal to the floor" method with no result. But yesterday morning after I checked the plugs to see if they were wet and they were not. Not receiving further instruction, I tried to start the vehicle in the normal way - key to on position, then crank after fuel pump quit. No luck. I stayed at it for while going back to the pedal to the floor and still no luck.

The plugs were new. About a week old. But I can see what you're saying about them getting fouled. It's definitely worth buying another new set if it will do the trick. How do you recommend I proceed with the new plugs? Attempt to start normally, or begin with the clear flood method?

I appreciate your help!

Gary
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Monday, November 8th, 2021 AT 9:46 AM
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In theory if the plugs are producing a proper spark and the injectors are adding the proper amount of fuel then you can start it normally.

However, I can tell you are concerned about it dumping too much fuel. So, you are not going to hurt anything by using the clear flood start just to see if it is going to start. However, you are going to have to crank it for a while.

So, I would crank for no longer the 5 seconds at a time. Then stop for a few seconds to allow the starter to cool off. If you just crank and crank the engine, then you are going to burn up the starter.

If it were me, I would put new plugs in it and crank it for 5 -7 seconds normally as it should start. If not, then stop for a minute or so, then try the clear flood start. If it starts with this method, then you more than likely have a high fuel pressure issue or leaking injectors.

If not, we need to go back to the drawing board on why this is not starting. Which means we need to pull a plug and check the spark intensity. Then we will have to check the fuel pressure.

However, your system being direct injected means you have a low side pressure and a high side.

Basically, the low side supplies the proper amount of fuel to the high-pressure pump for it to be injected into the cylinder.

If all this checks out, my bet is we will find the high-pressure pump is not building enough pressure which means it supplies fuel to the cylinder at a low pressure and the engine will not start and act like it is flooded.
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Monday, November 8th, 2021 AT 12:46 PM

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