Engine overheating

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The guy on YouTube was wrong. He pulled air into the system.

You need to do a leak down test on the cylinders for a possible leaking head gasket.

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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 4:47 PM
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How do I do a leak down test?
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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 4:50 PM
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Also the car runs beautifully there is no water in the oil?
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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 4:51 PM
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Also, how do you bleed air out with it no running?
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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 4:53 PM
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You need to remove the plugs from the engine.

Then you need to inject shop air into each cylinder one at a time.

Then watch for any coolant movement in the radiator. If you have a bad gasket it will push coolant out of the radiator.

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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 4:54 PM
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I don’t have a air system in my garage so I purchased one of those kits with the blue fluid and ran that test on my radiator and the fluid remained blue indicating no gasket leak. I replaced also the water pump, and then entire gauge assembly in the dash which included the temp gauge! I don’t understand a few weeks ago when I installed the new computer everything worked properly! We put the computer in and drove around and came back to garage open hood and the fans kicked on properly! Then the next day I drove to town came back to garage then the fans would not come on! I have a bad feeling something caused the computer not to work the next day after computer work everything properly the day before. Guess I might be purchasing an expensive scanning computer next and see if it will tell me if computers got shorted out? Any ideas I have replaced everything!
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Friday, May 15th, 2020 AT 10:46 PM
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The chemical test is not an accurate test. That is why I suggested the air test.

I would have someone do it for you to be sure.

The ECM only grounds the relay for the fan to operate. It does this based on input from the coolant sensor on the engine. I highly doubt the ECM is the issue. I believe it is a mechanical issue.

I attached the wiring diagram for you to view. Check the fuses I circled for power.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

if you remove the connector for the coolant sensor with the key on, the fans should come on.

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Saturday, May 16th, 2020 AT 3:54 AM
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Roy, the car purrs like a kitten! Some of my mechanics friends said the car would run rough if it was head gasket. Also, if you have a blown head gasket the fans would still come on but the car would overheat regardless! The diagrams you sent me are useless since I have 3 wires on my ECT sensor, a solid green that tests 12 vts when on and the yellow that’s 4.99 vts and a orange/black stripe that I assume is a ground but I’m not sure. Can you find a wiring diagram of the 3 wire ECT sensor and send it?
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Sunday, May 17th, 2020 AT 4:00 PM
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The green wire is for the temperature gauge.

The other 2 are for the temperature sensor itself which is a signal for the ECM of the engine temperature. They both go to the ESM. Neither are grounded externally. They ground or return is controlled in the ECM.

A car can run good and still have a leaking head gasket. The reason you are here is because of the temperature being too high. That is coming from air in the system and that could be from a leaking head gasket.

I know you are doubting me with other opinions. I have worked on these for years. I stand by my diagnostic for you.

It will get worse as time goes on. Make sure you keep a good eye on it.

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Sunday, May 17th, 2020 AT 4:18 PM
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I understand, but if the engine is hot because of a blown head gasket the fans should come on! The mechanical problem of the gasket being bad should not effect the electrical temp system! Also, it does not seem like this engine is really overheating when it is registering very hot like 250 or so. If it is a head gasket and the car is truly hot the fans should come on.
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Sunday, May 17th, 2020 AT 6:04 PM
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Did you try removing the connector for the coolant sensor with the key to the on position and see if the fans kick on?

That will tell you if the entire circuit of the fans is working correctly.

If there is air in the intake where the coolant sensor is located, the fans will not come on due to the lack of fluid in contact with the sensor end.

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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 4:35 AM
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Do I allow the car to warm up or do I perform this test cold or does it matter? I am here in garage ready to start the key on sensor unplugged test.
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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 2:07 PM
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Okay, I unplugged the CTS and turn key on and they did not come on. But I started the car and they came on in a few seconds after I started it! So what’s the verdict?
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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 2:27 PM
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The test is done with the key on or started. Then remove the connector.

That sounds like the fans are working. If they were then the circuit is working as it should.

It is the air in the intake at the sensor that is not allowing the fans to come on.

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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 3:38 PM
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If the intake gaskets are bad then why did the new computer I installed work the system properly the first time I drove after changing computers then the next day it went back to this problem! If this Is a head gasket or intake manifold gasket the problem would not have disappeared for a day then return?
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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 4:04 PM
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You told me in our discussions that the position of the sensor is important what does that mean? Did I have to get the new sensor tight in the exact position as the old one was?
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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 4:33 PM
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There is no other location.

It is in the intake manifold close to the thermostat. Air when it get into the system settles at the highest point. The intake manifold is the highest point in the motor. That is why they have bleed screws.

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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 4:36 PM
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So you’re saying it is intake manifold gaskets or head gaskets?
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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 5:06 PM
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I never said intake gaskets. Those were your words.

I always have and always will say the head gaskets. They are leaking air or combustion into the cooling system creating air into the system.

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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 5:23 PM
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Okay, I changed the radiator and CTS I bled the air and the fans would not come on? My wife found on the Internet that after that the only thing left was the computer so I changed the computer and everything worked properly. If it’s an air pocket at the sensor then why did it work right after I changed the computer. The air pocket would still have been there? I didn’t touch anything else just changed the computer the air pocket should have still been there.
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Monday, May 18th, 2020 AT 5:41 PM

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