ABS C1185 trouble code

Tiny
VALSIGPLYM
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Steve,
I am new and have had this problem for over a year. 2002 Windstar 59,000 miles with traction control. The red brake light, yellow traction control light and yellow ABS light will come on in warm weather. I live in Minnetonka, Minnesota it does not fault as much in the winter. It does it at the turn of the key while parked in the spring fall and winter.

I had a friend pull the C codes. C1185,1198,1194,1254,1246,1250,1214,1210. All data has some pin point checks that can be performed at the connectors-but then says replace the module.

I disconnected the connector and did the twenty five mph tests and all lights stay off. I reconnected it and drove it two miles with out any problems. I let it sit for one hour and when I started it the problem was back. I disconnected the connector and it still came on. I put a jumper in and it still comes on.

I will volunteer for the test- if I still qualify.

Chris
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Monday, August 13th, 2007 AT 7:36 PM
Tiny
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Steve, is this at each "wheel" module or at the main module? I see where you getting at. A build up of gunk and corrosion can cause high resistance and throw a false code. So it would be remove the connection at each wheel thoroughly inspect and clean and then apply the dielectric grease to the connect points?

Russ
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Tuesday, August 14th, 2007 AT 7:17 AM
Tiny
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Thanks Steve. Now I see what your getting at. My son's van was originally from Windsor and I know that the winters there are just as bad as here in Toronto or for that matter anywhere in the northeast. Salt and water can be a real culprit. I will do a thorough inspection of the main module connections and do as you suggest. Get back to you with results.

Thanks again.
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Tuesday, August 14th, 2007 AT 8:48 AM
Tiny
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Steve,
Am I going to the Ford dealer to buy two products or one? (I have both silicone brake lube and dielectric grease can I use them?)

I removed the connector a year ago and did not see any obvious corrosion. However, I did not use any dielectric grease when I reconnected it.

I was planning on removing the connector and blowing it off with compressed air and then spraying it with contact cleaner. When I apply the grease do I use it on the contacts themselves or just to seal around the connector so it does not leak? To be honest I have never understood what dielectric grease is for.

Chris
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Tuesday, August 14th, 2007 AT 4:22 PM
Tiny
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Hello everyone. I did not think to ask what codes were present when the van was being diagnosed. I live in Brampton, Ontario (near Toronto). They definitely use a lot of salt on the roads here. For the last few winters they have also been using some type of liquid in lieu of salt. The liquid is apparently better for the environment but it is much worse for vehicles. The liquid gets into everything and sticks to everything and is just as corrosive as salt. The last few days have been cooler here and the light has stayed off.
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Tuesday, August 14th, 2007 AT 8:12 PM
Tiny
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Let's keep this thread going until we get to the bottom of it. Seems like heat aggravates the problem. Those of us that have had our codes read are getting the same codes.

Steve, do you have any idea why heat is an issue?

Terry
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Wednesday, August 15th, 2007 AT 3:22 PM
Tiny
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I am also having issues with my windstar, my e-brake light comes on with the abs lights at random times. My extended warranty just ran out and im going nuts.

Has anyone tried contacting ford on this to see about a national recall or repair?

Also I have another issue, when driving my van around 65-70mph I hear this loud whoooooo noise it is constant. When I go above 75-80 it gets semi quiet, and when I go slow around 35-45 the noise almost goes away. It sounds like extreme road noise inside the cabin. I replaced front brakes and routers. Help Please :)
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Wednesday, August 15th, 2007 AT 6:40 PM
Tiny
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Steve,
I have cleaned and lubed the connections and still have the problem.

When I first turned the key on without starting the engine and the system check ran the "check traction control " warning did not come up on the display.

When I turned the key to start and ran the engine it did display the check traction control warning. Could this be a hint?

I am not ready to give up yet. However, if It is the ABS module can I do it myself with out removing the HCU- I am a virgin with HCU's? It looks like the HCU could be lowered perhaps enough to remove the module.
I know the module controls the HCU but is the interface between the HCU and ABS module electronic, hydrolic or mechanical? Can you describe that process a little?

Thanks again!
Chris
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Wednesday, August 15th, 2007 AT 6:48 PM
Tiny
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Hello guys, I just found this forum. We have a 2003 Ford Windstar SE 3.8L with 41,000 miles on it. We are having the same issue with the ABS and brake lights coming on, maybe we will make to the end of the drive way or it may take a few miles, but will always come on. Took it to a mechanic friend and he said that the codes looked like it was the module but suggested that I take to the Ford shop and let them run their diagnostics on it. While I was pulling in their shop I noticed that the dome lights stated to come the off, flicker, on then off. I was confused.

Ford just called me back and said that the ABS module needed replacing at $500.00 and that they needed to take the head liner off and check the wiring in it for a short, for $72.00. What struck me odd that they knew what to charge for the wiring fix for the dome lights. I am wondering if this is also a known issue?

I read that someone else mentioned about the noisy power steering pump. This was a company vehicle that we bought in 2004 with 13,000 miles on it. We had a lot of these in our fleet and it seemed that every one had that squalling pump.

But my main concern is the ABS module. Should I go ahead and fork over the five large?
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Thursday, August 16th, 2007 AT 2:45 PM
Tiny
DJROLEN
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I have a 2001 Windstar with 135,000 and have the same issue. ABS and e-brake light on sometimes and off other times. Anyone have any resolution yet?
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Thursday, August 16th, 2007 AT 2:56 PM
Tiny
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By the way, does this have any affect on the functionality of the system?
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Thursday, August 16th, 2007 AT 3:02 PM
Tiny
VALSIGPLYM
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I called in a complaint for this problem to the NHTSA hotline 1-888-327-4236. Be specific that you want to file a complaint otherwise they will just tell you about the TSB's that already exist for this problem which means Ford can ignore this problem. We need to escalate the issue by all of us filing a complaint its the only chance for a recall.

It took twenty minutes on the phone with a live rep from the NHTSA. Have the VIN number the date the problem started the mileage the problem started and number of times its failed.

Calll the DOT Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 and a NHTSA representative will record your complaint information.
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Thursday, August 16th, 2007 AT 3:39 PM
Tiny
HANGIT
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I also am having the intermittent warning light issues. My 2001 Windstar van has 89,000 miles and has been serviced regularly. Yesterday the dealer ran the codes (was not told what showed up) but could not diagnose the problem. I was told to bring it back and leave it all day. I will be filing a complaint with the NHTSA. Thanks.

John
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Thursday, August 16th, 2007 AT 7:21 PM
Tiny
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I just disconnected and jumpered my cruise control deactivation switch on my 2001 Windstar. Cruise control functioned normally, but the ABS/brake warning light came on after a mile of driving. FYI.

John
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Thursday, August 16th, 2007 AT 8:17 PM
Tiny
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Is there an equivalent to the NHTSA in Canada? Who up here can we complain to Ford will not listen. Maybe W-5 will?
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Friday, August 17th, 2007 AT 7:40 AM
Tiny
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I have 2001 Windstar with 93,000, just started to have similar problem with ABS and brake lights. No codes yet.

Earlier someone also mentioned about lean codes problem. I had similar issue with p0171/174. Dealer found to be isolator bolts and manifold leakage. There is a TSB for that too but no recall.

If any one found a solution for ABS and brake lights, let know.

Ak
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Friday, August 17th, 2007 AT 11:12 AM
Tiny
HANGIT
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My dealer printed off a Ford Special Service Message 15013 regarding "2001 Windstar brake warning lamp on condition". It states "this may be due to water entering the ABS unit connector located under the vehicle. Unplug and inspect the connector at the ABS unit. If water is discovered in the connnector the ABS control unit (2b373) and wiring harness (14290) will need to be replaced." This condition should not effect brake conditions.

I crawled under my van tonight, took the connection apart, did not see any water, but sprayed with electronic cleaner and put back together, coating with di-electric grease. Will test drive tomorrow.

John
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Friday, August 17th, 2007 AT 8:53 PM
Tiny
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You are right they will not listen at all.

Thanks, Tom
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Saturday, August 18th, 2007 AT 5:32 AM
Tiny
VALSIGPLYM
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Here is were I am at. I purchased an ALLDATA subscription and did the pinpoint checks on the connector and wiring. The wiring is fine and that leaves only the ABS module as the source of the c1185 code. I lowered the HCU to attempt to take the Module off. I could not loosen the screws that hold the module to the HCU as they were rusted and promptly stripped.
It looks like I will have to disconnect all the brake lines to the HCU and pull it completely out to get the module off. I will probably have to drill off the screw heads and take the rest of the screw out with a pliers.
If I go thie route they say the brakes need to be hooked up to the computer and bled. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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Sunday, August 19th, 2007 AT 3:08 PM
Tiny
HANGIT
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Disconnecting from the ABS module, cleaning the connector, and reconnecting did nothing to keep the warning lights from coming on. However, on our seven hundred mile trip yesterday, they were on for the first three hundred miles, then went off and never came back on. Go figure!

John
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Monday, August 20th, 2007 AT 7:45 AM

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