Wont shift into 3rd transmission diagnosis

  • V8
  • 4WD
  • 109,000 MILES
Hey, my pickup has the famous worthless 4L60e and it was slipping at high gears (passing gear) and just tried to baby it and as of latley it wont shift from 2nd to 3rd it just bounces on the rev limiter. But if I ease into it it will get up to 70mph. I am thinking clutch plates I found new ones for around $90 do you think I could rebuild it or would a master rebuild kit work better. If not what would be a good idea. Thanks janson. I forgot to mention it also is shifting around 5k out of first
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Tuesday, November 30th, 2010 AT 8:32 PM

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If your fluid is burned(odor) or off color, that is an indication of a need for teardown. Just a simple plate kit would probably not provide. Often times what I see is a worn 2-4 band, and by the time it is burned, the reverse clutch housing is heat damaged as well. A common problem that creates many different symptoms is a leaking input housing. For your model year there is a bulletin that describes this condition.
#PIP3136N: Slip Condition In 2nd 3rd Or 4th - Damaged 2-4 Band Or 3-4 Clutch - keywords busy chatter fourth second shudder third - (Jan 20, 2010)

Subject: Slip Condition in 2nd, 3rd or 4th - Damaged 2-4 Band or 3-4 Clutch

Models: 2004-2007 Buick Rainier

2003-2006 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV, Escalade EXT

2003-2005 Chevrolet Astro, Blazer, Corvette

2003-2010 Chevrolet Avalanche, Express, Suburban, Tahoe

2003-2004 Chevrolet S-10

2007-2010 Chevrolet Silverado

2003-2007 Chevrolet Silverado Classic

2003-2009 Chevrolet Trailblazer

2004-2010 Chevrolet Colorado

2004-2010 GMC Canyon

2003-2009 GMC Envoy

2003-2007 GMC Sierra Classic

2007-2010 GMC Sierra

2003-2006 GMC Sierra Denali

2003-2010 GMC Savana, Yukon, Yukon XL, Yukon XL Denali

2003-2004 GMC Sonoma

2003-2005 GMC Jimmy, Safari

2003-2010 Hummer H2

2006-2010 Hummer H3

2003-2004 Oldsmobile Bravada

2004-2006 Pontiac GTO

2005-2009 Saab 97x

Equipped with 4L60E, 4L65E or 4L70E (RPO - M30, M32 or M70) Transmission

This PI was superseded to update model years. Please discard PIP3136M.

The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

The 4L60E/4L65E/4L70E automatic transmission may experience a condition of slipping, late or missed shifts in 2nd 3rd and 4th. An internal transmission disassembly may reveal a 2-4 band and or a 3-4 clutch being distressed.

Based on engineering transmission quality review sessions the following items should be inspected and or replaced as required. These items were found to be the cause of the distress to the 2-4 band and 3-4 clutch.

First check transmission fluid level. This transmission is very sensitive to low oil level. Also check:

Low Line pressure (perform a PCS test as defined in SI)
1-2 accumulator piston (56) cracked or broken
2-4 Servo Piston Seals (18, 19, 21, 26) for being cut or damaged
2-4 Servo Apply Pin (13) for being nicked/scored /binding in the pin bore, damaged clutches will frequently cause the pin to have a rough finish where it passes through the case, this is a result of the clutch debris not usually the cause of the distressed clutches or band
2-4 Servo Piston Bore for being scored or mismachined
2-4 Band Anchor Pin (41) missing (low mileage)
Servo Feed Oil Passage blocked with sediment
Forward Clutch Apply Piston (630) Seals for being cut or damaged
Forward Clutch Apply Piston (630) for being cracked
Turbine shaft oil seal rings (619) for cut or damaged.
Turbine shaft check valve retainer and ball assembly (617) is in place in the end of the turbine shaft and has not come out and gone inside the torque converter, if the retainer or ball is missing from the turbine shaft the torque converter must be replaced
Turbine shaft apply fluid passage sealing balls are in place, these are pressed into the turbine shaft end inside the input housing
3-4 Clutch Apply Piston (623) Seals for being cut or damaged
3-4 Clutch Apply Piston (623) for being cracked
3-4 Clutch and Forward Clutch oil feed passage blocked or restricted (should flow check the housing, and the passages should be inspected for proper location)
3-4 Clutch check ball (620) for leaking
3-4 Clutch air bleed orifice cup plug (698) is in place
Overrun Clutch Seal (632) damaged
#7 Checkball (located in the case) for not being seated or leaking
4-3 Sequence Valve (383) undersized
Boost Valve (219) stuck causing low line pressure
Input Sun Gear to Input Carrier Thrust Bearing (700) damaged came apart
Selective Washer (616) extra washer installed
Oil Pump Body (200) cracked/damaged
Inspect the Forward Sprag for proper operation per eSI document #215197.
Also inspect to see if the rear stator shaft bushing (241) may be worn on one side or damaged. The turbine shaft (621) may also be damaged in the stator bushing journal area.

This condition may be caused by the stator shaft (214) being non-concentric with the pump cover (215). If this condition is encountered the pump cover should be replaced along with any residual damage.

If none of the above items are found to be the root cause for the failure the Input Housing, Forward Clutch Piston and 3-4 Clutch Piston should be replaced and resealed as well as resealing the 2-4 Servo.

If clutch debris is found, it is also very important to inspect the pressure control (PC) solenoid valve fluid screens. Clean or replace the PC solenoid as necessary. It is also important to flush and flow check the transmission oil cooler using J45096. Refer to SI "Automatic Transmission Oil Cooler Flushing and Flow Test" for the procedure.

Full sized trucks and utilities should have the shift cable properly adjusted and/or replaced if the cable is not holding proper adjustment.

In the event the transmission as a repeat 2-4 Band or 3-4 Clutch Failure the transmission may require replacement due to a possible transmission case concern.
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