I have a 1993 Saturn SL1 clutch issue

Tiny
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  • 1993 SATURN SL1
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When the car is off it goes into gear fine when I start the car it wont go into gear, plenty of clutch fluid and clutch never slipped prior to this happening ( manuel tranny)

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Sunday, October 16th, 2011 AT 7:02 PM

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Tiny
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You have eeither a pressure plate or disc failure. It may need a new clutch.

Make sure the fluid is full and the slave cylinder is moving the arm.

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Sunday, October 16th, 2011 AT 7:47 PM
Tiny
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Where is the slave cylinder located I know when I have someone shift the level are moving on the tranny, just when its on I feel like the pedal is dead and there is nothing and cant push it into gear

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 11:37 AM
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If the pedal feels different, then the slave or clutch master may be the issue. I would have that checked first before replacing the clutch.

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 1:36 PM
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Ok I will cheaper to change that first rather than a clutch like I said the clutch never slipped and the pedal deff feels like nothing is going on

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 1:39 PM
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Good luck

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 1:55 PM
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Is the fluid suppose to move when pressing the clutch in a and out while the car is running cause it just stays at the level is at when not running, and the guy before u said make sure the slave cylinder is moving the arm. Where is that located and what arm

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 2:05 PM
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That was me that said that but anyway, the slave on the side of the transaxle assembly. I tis a small round cylinder and has a boot on the end and you will see an arm, small, that is coming out of it. It is short and may be covered by a rubber boot. If you dont see it, go to a shop and have them check it for you.

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 2:09 PM
Tiny
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This might help I put the car in first started it and u drove without letting go of the clutch. Sry im a neon guy not a saturn hahaha yea i'll see if I can see the little arm

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 2:14 PM
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I looked on the end of the slave and felt it nothing sticking out i'll just change it and see where that takes me

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 2:19 PM
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Make sure you bleed it or you will still have no pedal.

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 2:37 PM
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Just to add to this one if your going to change it make sure you buy the clutch slave/master as a complete seal system not the two pieces seperately. Saturn only sells it as a complete sealed system.I used to have people call me at the saturn dealer asking me how to bleed the system because they tried everything to bleeed it. Even shops called because they only replaced the master or slave or both seperately and couldnt get it to bleed right. Iam going to tell you the same thing buy it as a complete system already bleed. Also the two things that happen on those cars that cause the transmission hard to shift into every gear is a bad clutch master/slave cylinder. Also a bad pressure plate what happens on the ones I have seen is the fingers of the pressure plate where the throw out bearing ride wear unevenly so only part of the pressure plate release when pushing in the clutch causing the hard to get into gear. The hard to get into all the gears has nothing to do with the clutch slipping. Just the opposite the clutch isnt fully releasing cause it hard to get into all the gears. As far as seeing anything moving on the clutch master or slave when pushing the clutch in the only thing you can see move while pushing the pedal is the clutch master shaft inside the car and its attached to the clutch pedal. The clutch slave you cant see anything move becauce the pin that moves is inside the clutch bell housing. What I do when iam having a problem with it hard to go into all the gears is first see if the clutch pedal has hard pressure all the way to the floor. That it doesnt drop down some before its creates a hard firm pedal if it doesnt then I know the clutch master/slave is good. Then I know I have a clutch pressure plate issue and I have to replace the whole clutch pressure plate clutch disc and throw out bearing. Also make sure there is nothing under the clutch pedal like a floor mat etc keeping the clutch from fulky releasing.

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 3:20 PM
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The clutch has no pressure just goes right to the floor dosent feel like any presure behind it, I pulled out the slave cylinder and the plastic straps that hold the pushrod into the slave broke and it was kinda just hangin out there( dont know if the straps mean anything). And when I pushed the push rod by hand I can hear the fluid level rising and dropping in the master cylinder

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 3:28 PM
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Yea the cylinder works its just pushin the pin all the way out cause the strap is broke idk if I shuld trya new strap if I can even get it or maybe the cylinder is bad and give it to much pressure thats why it broke

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 3:34 PM
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If you have no pressure on the clutch pedal with everything hooked up bad clutch master/slave assembly. Also the clip your talking about has nothing to do with the operation of the clutch slave cylinder. That is there unbroken when the slave cylinder is brand new what it does is keeps that pin in place and aligned. That way when the clutch slave is installed the pin is aligned to the clutch fork on the first try installing it. Then the first time the clutch is pressed the clip breaks and it has done its job. Replace the clutch master/slave cylinder as a complete sealed assembly and see how it shifts let me know what you find.

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 3:47 PM
Tiny
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Ok thank u so much sry to keep bugging ya lol

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 3:48 PM
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Even though I feel no pressure in the clutch it still is pushin the rod out on the slave

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 3:51 PM
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Your not bugging me thats what iam here for to help people fix there cars. The rod might be moving out when the slave cylinder isnt installed but when it has to over come the pressure of the pressure plate thats a different story. With everything installed the clutch pedal should have a hard firm pedal all the way to the floor if it doesnt like I said replace the clutch master/slave cylinder sealed assembly and see how it shifts then.

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Monday, October 17th, 2011 AT 3:57 PM
Tiny
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Hey slave cylinder was the issue shifts great now.

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Friday, October 28th, 2011 AT 10:42 PM
Tiny
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Now I have an issue with the sensor that is mounted on the valve cover between the throttle body and the power steering pump, believe its the aicv, when its plugged in takes forever to start the car but unplugged it start but dosent idle right and cant really drive the car, would this part cause that issue

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Friday, October 28th, 2011 AT 10:47 PM
Tiny
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Yea

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