Code P0300 after replacing the timing chain

Tiny
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  • 2006 NISSAN ALTIMA
  • 3.5L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 200,000 MILES
I just recently replaced my timing chain and when I installed the tensioner, I accidentally pulled the coil pin out but still installed it. It didn't dangle and the tensioner didn't fall out of place. The item was still intact and in perfect condition, almost like the curly pin was just a cosmetic part - but I believe it wasn't. I just needed to get the car going right away. (See attached photos)
The car started smoothly after the replacement.
No more rattling sounds, no more knocking/ticking sounds. The engine has brand new noise levels and the timing issue is all gone, but my Check Engine Light flashes only when I accelerate. Check Engine Light is gone at a stop light and when I'm under 1,500 RPMs. Engine sputters when I idle. The engine vibrates a little. Ran a scan and got P0300.
I am wondering if it has anything to do with that missing curly pin.
Please, help!
Thank you
Friday, January 28th, 2022 AT 7:54 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

The pin you removed is supposed to be removed. It is to hold the plunger from pushing on the guide until it's installed. It just makes things easier. So, if you removed it, you did the right thing.

Now, a p0300 is a random misfire. Recheck to make sure there are no disconnected engine vacuum hoses or sensors. Also, let me know if there are any other codes showing.

Here is a link you may find helpful. It explains how to locate a leak.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Let me know what you find or if I can help in any way.

Note: I just looked again at the pic. Is it the rounded clip? That is a different thing. I'm surprised you got it off. If I recall, that prevents the plunger assembly from coming out. However, I still don't think that would cause the misfire unless it came apart and isn't keeping tension on the chain. Let me know.

Take care,

Joe
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Friday, January 28th, 2022 AT 8:37 PM
Tiny
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Hello Joe. Thank you for the response. Yes, I'm referring to the rounded pin. No, I don't believe it fell off. The placement and design is actually against it falling off and it's designed to "stay in place." I've attached a photo to describe it better. I only took it off because the instructions said to "take tensioner pin off, " and I took off the straight pin and also the round pin, but then I realized that round pin was supposed to be left alone. But even after I took it off it stayed in place and the resistance from the chain itself and the design doesn't seem to look like it can allow it to fall out of place (refer to pics). The tensioner isn't static. It springs slightly back and forth. There is a spring that holds it in.
I could be wrong. If anyone knows if pulling that round pin out has some disadvantage, please correct me and tell me what to do. Thanks

I'm just wondering why it sputters and vibrates a little. I have a month-old spark plugs installed. All 6 of them. NGK Iridium from NAPA. I can't seem to think of what could cause the P0300.
I have checked every hose and made sure every pipeline or hose, or breathers are back in their respective places. New gas pump/filter.
I really appreciate any help or tips.
Thanks
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Friday, January 28th, 2022 AT 10:54 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Okay, now I better understand. My only concern with the part you removed is a bit further down the line. If excessive play is gained in the chain, it could allow that tensioner to come apart. Should it be replaced? In my mind, yes. I know you don't want to hear that, especially at this point.

Now, I don't feel that is the cause of the P0300. The idea that you have a flashing Check Engine Light when you accelerate or place the engine under a load indicates that is when you have the misfire. Do you have a live data scan tool that will show you the number of misfires by cylinder? If you do, that will help us narrow things down.

Although you purchased a great product (NGK plugs), anything is possible. Also, keep in mind that a weak fuel injector, fuel pressure, a weak coil that is arcing or has issues, compression, and so on can all be factors. I have dealt with random misfire issues that were the result of the boot that goes on the spark plug itself allowing spark within the spark plug tube because they were bad. See the pic below for what I'm referring to.

Let me know if you have a scan tool that can identify which cylinder or cylinders are misfiring. If you have such a scanner, which isn't uncommon, it will actually tell you how many misfires (per cylinder) occurred during a specific amount of time. If we can get that figured out, then we can focus on specifics.

Let me know what you find and hang in there. We'll get it figured out.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below.
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Saturday, January 29th, 2022 AT 12:58 PM
Tiny
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Hello. Thank you again for the response.
Yes, they are all brand new spark plugs - but like you said - one never knows. They're still under store warranty so I may have to return them for new ones. I almost doubt those are the culprits, but I'll still go and swap them.
I can get a scanning tool to diagnose the problem. I understand about checking for misfires, but I don't know exactly what it means to check for "misfires per cycle." I would like to learn and add that skillset to my arsenal. I would also like to know how to calculate that.
The best I've done so far was to "check for spark." The first 3 easy to reach plugs have been checked and cleared. If you have any idea about Nissan V6s, you'd know the other 3 plugs require a bit of work (Grrr).
But I'll do that.
Someone said to actually check for arcing on all plug boots, and I'm doing that today
I wish I had a P0301, or 0302, and so on so I'd pinpoint the issue.
But I'll get those all done today and update you.
Thank you very much for the help. I'm grateful!
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Sunday, January 30th, 2022 AT 8:52 AM
Tiny
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I also want to ask - if I was to test the spark plug coils with an ohmmeter. What should the readings be, and what are the values to indicate a good or bad plug coil?
Also, what should the settings be on the meter device?
Thanks!
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Sunday, January 30th, 2022 AT 11:22 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

The scan tool should have a setting to show misfires per cylinder. As far as a cycle, it starts when the engine is started and stops when you turn it off. Actually, the vehicle's computer has a ceiling number that will allow it to reset, so that's why I suggest checking between starting and shutting off.

AS far as testing, I will do my best to explain. LOL

1) Disconnect the coil from the connector from the coil.

2) Next, look at pic 1 below. That is a portion of the wiring schematic to the coils. Note that each coil has a red wire, a black wire, and then one that is a different color. Red is power and should receive 12v with the key in the run position. That is our common wire.

3) Locate the red wire from the car and determine which one receives that pin at the coil.

4) We are checking the primary circuit of the coil, so set your multimeter to ohms (below see pic 2). The symbol looks like an upside-down horseshoe. LOL At that selection, we are checking how much resistance is occurring within the circuit.

5) On the ohms setting, you should have a selection based on expectations. Set it for 200 ohms. We are expecting to see approximately 1-ohm resistance, so if there is a number closer on your meter, select it. However, it needs to be above 1 ohm.

6) Place the red probe from the multimeter on the common pin. (The one that should receive power from the vehicle) and place the black terminal on one of the other two pins. I believe the common wire (red power wire) will be pin 3. Just confirm that by looking at the connector. (See pic 3 below)

7) Place the black probe from the multimeter to one of the other pins. Look at pic 4 below.
When testing, pin 3 to pin 1, you should see approximately 1-ohm resistance. Pin 3 to pin 2 should be the same. When checking between pins 2 and 3, there should be no resistance "0".

If you are right around 1 ohm between the aforementioned pins (1, 3 and 2, 3) the coil primary is good.

To check the secondary, follow this link:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

Let me know if this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe

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Sunday, January 30th, 2022 AT 6:56 PM

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