Fuel pump getting no power.

Tiny
SHANEPAYE
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Well I thought the problem was solved when I unplugged the ect sensor but that only lasted for a week. I was doing some off-roading and all of the sudden it quit on me and wouldn't restart, I noticed that when I turn the key on the fuel pump relay was not activating. When I ground pin 6 of the test connector they come on and run fine, but not with the key. I replaced the eec for shits and giggles and still nothing. Any ideas of what would cause this, I was reading another forum and there was a lot about testing power and grounds but I do not have a manual and don't know what pins to check for power or grounds.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:38 PM (Merged)
Tiny
ASEMASTER6371
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Not bad, pal. Just trying to help out these people.

You have a good weekend

Roy
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:38 PM (Merged)
Tiny
JAMES W.
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What's your email address, and I'll send you some PDF files of diagrams.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:38 PM (Merged)
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CJ MEDEVAC
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ME TOO

WIFEY SAYS I WRITE TOO MUCH STUFF

IF I WHACKED ALL THE WIRES OFF OF MY CJ RADIO, WOULD IT STILL RUN. THE RADIO. Lol!

THE MEDIC
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:38 PM (Merged)
Tiny
SHANEPAYE
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Shanepaye@hotmail. Com Thank you very much
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
DIXON1
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Sorry for my lag storm and kids sport have me runnin in circles.
I will answer in order from my last post as best I can
1. Yes if I unplug the relay the pumps will stop but the relay buzzs upon reconnecting until I fully cycle the key
2. Ok sent my address
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
JAMES W.
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Done deal!
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
DIXON1
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Ok went out and double checked if I unplug the brown and green pigtails from them 2 relays is the only way both pumps will shut down
there is a 3rd relay with a grey pigtail that has no effect on the pumps that I have noticed
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
SHANEPAYE
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Well here we go, I have tested continuity from the test port to the fuel pump relay. Tan w/lt grn, it was good, I then tested from both fuel pump relay and test port tan w/lt grn to pin 22 of the harness side of the connector, I had good clear continuity. I have tested the ground from pin 20 to the body of the truck and it was grounded good. When I ground the fuel pump relay at the test port the fuel pumps run and the truck will start. So somewhere some how the eec is not grounding the fuel pump relay. Is there anymore tests I can perform? My next question is when the key is turned to the on position are the pumps supposed to run constantly or are they supposed to shut off after a few seconds?
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
CJ MEDEVAC
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ASEMaster6371----I THINK YOU NEED TO ANSWER THE "HANDS ON" STUFF

I'LL GET HIM THE DIAGRAMS WHEN I FINISH HERE

THE MEDIC
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
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JAMES W.
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The fuel pump should run for only a few seconds at "key on". The fuel pump relay is feed 12 volts with key on. The EEC computer "grounds" the relay coil to close the relay. From what you say, your computer appears to be bad.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
ASEMASTER6371
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Got you CJ.

When you pulled the fuel pump relay and the pumps stopped, this means the control side of the relay is staying engaged meaning it is grounded 100% of the time. This is what we have to fix.

Does this have dual tanks? If it does, disconnect the switching valve and connect the relay and make sure the pumps are off. You may have a wiring issue down at the switching valve.

Roy
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
SHANEPAYE
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Yeah I think your right, because before this happened (fuel pumps don't come on) the fuel pumps ran when the key was on for as long as it was on. Would that also explain the trouble starting before? It would start before as long as I turned the key from all the way off to start in one quick motion and even then it would crank a couple times to long. But every morning it would start like a new truck.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
DIXON1
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My valve is original ford so there is no electric on the valve at all it works off of fuel pressure
i have an in dash switch that turns power on to either in tank pickup pump
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
SHANEPAYE
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And would the fuel pumps staying on also be computer?
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
ASEMASTER6371
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No, the switch operates a switching valve under the truck where the lines all meet. Take another look. If there is a switch on the dash, then there is electric under the truck.

Roy
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
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JAMES W.
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Let me know what you find.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
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DIXON1
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Again this is an 87 all original. I had the valve out 3x already and there is no electrical on the valve what so ever
there are 2 springs within the valve that compress when the pickup pump pressurise against it
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
MERLIN2021
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If it quit while four wheeling, have you checked the inertia switch? Its right next to the brake pedal just above it. Make sure it has continuity when pressed, and no cont, when tripped, if it tests otherwise, replace it.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 6:39 PM (Merged)
Tiny
DIXON1
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Ford dual function reservoir (non electric tank switch valve)
i believe this is the tech name for what ive been calling a valve
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