1996 Chrysler Cirrus crank but no start

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BOBBY LANCASTER
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  • 1996 CHRYSLER CIRRUS
  • 6 CYL
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 168,912 MILES
I have no spark and I have fuel pressure can here fuel pump running for 2 seconds. Got about an 8 volt reading at 6 pin plug - unplugged at distributor yellow wire w/ orange tracer and both grds. Were good. I was'nt getting any voltage reading from the crankshaft position sensor w/ it unplugged volt meter hooked up to the sensor and cranking engine over. Also check ohm reading nothing on the old one, checked ohm reading on new one got a reading so I replaced the crank sensor thinking I had an open circut. Still no spark.
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Saturday, December 26th, 2009 AT 3:16 PM

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Tiny
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Unplug the cam sensor, if it starts, timing chain may need to be replaced.
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Sunday, December 27th, 2009 AT 6:23 AM
Tiny
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Were is cam sensor located? 1996 chrys. Cirrus 2.5 eng. Also I checked green w/ orange tracer to distibutor, ign. On test llight on 2 sec, crank eng. Test light pulses. Checked injector supply and injector pulse is good. All 6 pin conn. Wires has voltage, 4.9 to 8.0 volts. Checked distributor rotor rotation is good. Checked grd. To ign. Driver circuit get pusating voltage. Is there a way to check ign. Coil and ignition modual.
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Sunday, December 27th, 2009 AT 10:09 AM
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Cam sensor is integral with the distributor, also I sent a tech bulliten on your distributor and engine, no ignition mod, PCM controls ignition.
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Sunday, December 27th, 2009 AT 12:18 PM
Tiny
BOBBY LANCASTER
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Checked btwn. Ign. Driver circuit and grd. W/ test light at 6 pin conn. Crank eng. Get pusating test light. I have good compression. Timing belt ok. Is there a way to check coil and and pcm. Whats next step? Why is it taking so long for you to answer.

Did you go on vacation?
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Sunday, December 27th, 2009 AT 12:39 PM
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Did you check the info I emailed to you yet? What was the build date of your distributor? I do not do this for a living, and do have other commitments, I do not stay online all day! Sorry for the delays!
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Monday, December 28th, 2009 AT 2:15 PM
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I do not have a hessitation on acceleration. I have a cranks no start condition. I found the imformation I needed at the auto parts, they let me look at one of there manuals. I checked resistance across 2 pin conn. At distributor got 1.1k ohms should be.6 ohms -.8 ohms. And 2 pin conn. Each of the terminals at once to the coil tower and got 5k ohms. On each, should be 12k ohms - 18k ohms. Checked distributor cap got 6k ohms should be 5k ohms. So im assuming coil is bad.
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Monday, December 28th, 2009 AT 2:43 PM
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TEST NS-1A - QUALIFYING A NO START CONDITION 1. Attempt to crank engine. If engine was able to crank, go to next step. If engine was not able to crank, go to TEST NS-9A. 2. Turn ignition off, then on again. DO NOT crank engine. Using scan tool, select NO START monitor. Read current Camshaft Position (CMP) state and Crankshaft Position (CKP) state. If scan tool displays CURRENT CMP STATE PRESENT, replace CMP sensor (no signal should have been generated). Perform TEST VER-1A. If scan tool does not display CURRENT CMP STATE PRESENT, go to next step. 3. If scan tool displays CURRENT CKP STATE PRESENT, replace CKP sensor (no signal should have been generated). Perform TEST VER-1A. If scan tool does not display CURRENT CKP STATE PRESENT, go to next step. 4. While cranking engine, observe CMP and CKP state using scan tool. If scan tool shows current CKP state present, go to next step. If scan tool does not show current CKP state present, go to TEST TC-40A. 5. If scan tool shows current CMP state present, go to next step. If scan tool does not show current CMP state present, go to TEST TC-1A. 6. Go to TEST NS-1B. TEST NS-1B - QUALIFYING A NO START CONDITION 1. Disconnect cylinder No. 2 spark plug wire. Insert an insulated screwdriver in plug wire end. Hold screwdriver within 1/4" of ground. While observing for spark, crank engine for 10 seconds. Consider one or 2 sparks as a no spark condition. If good spark is present, go to TEST NS-2A. If good spark is not present, go to next step. 2. Reconnect spark plug wire. Remove distributor cap. Put one end of a spark plug wire into high tension tower of distributor. Insert an insulated screwdriver into other end of spark plug wire. Hold screwdriver within 1/4" of ground. Go to next step. 3. While observing for spark, crank engine for 10 seconds. Consider one or 2 sparks as a no spark condition. If good spark is present, replace distributor cap and rotor. Perform TEST VER-1A. If good spark is not present, go to next step. 4. Disconnect distributor 2-pin connector. Turn ignition on. Using scan tool, actuate ignition coil. Using scan tool in voltmeter mode, check voltage of ASD relay output circuit Dark NOTE: Perform all trouble code testing, that affects vehicles ability to start, before proceeding. NOTE: Steps 2) and 3) check for a stray signal. No signal should be generated. NOTE: Perform TEST NS-1A before proceeding. CAUTION: If screwdriver is more than 1/4" from ground, Powertrain Control module (PCM) damage may result. Green/Orange wire at distributor 2-pin connector. If voltage is more than 10 volts, go to next step. If voltage is 10 volts or less, repair open ASD relay output circuit. Perform TEST VER- 1A. 5. Turn ignition off. Disconnect distributor 6-pin connector. Using scan tool in ohmmeter mode, check resistance of ground circuit Black wire (not sensor ground circuit) at distributor 6-pin connector. See Fig. 50 . If resistance is less than 5 ohms, go to next step. If resistance is 5 ohms or more, repair open ground circuit. Perform TEST VER-1A. 6. Turn ignition on. Connect an analog voltmeter between ignition coil driver circuit and ground circuit at distributor 6-pin connector. See Fig. 50 . Using scan tool, actuate ignition coil. If voltmeter shows a pulsating deflection, go to next step. If voltmeter does not show a pulsating deflection, go to step 8). 7. Check engine valve timing. If engine valve timing is within specification, replace ignition coil. Perform TEST VER-1A. If engine valve timing is not within specification, repair engine valve timing as necessary. Perform TEST VER-1A. 8. Turn ignition off. Disconnect Powertrain Control Module (PCM) connector. Using scan tool in ohmmeter mode, check resistance of ignition coil driver circuit Black/Gray wire at distributor 6-pin connector. If resistance is 5 ohms or more, go to next step. If resistance is less than 5 ohms, repair short to ground on ignition coil driver circuit. Perform TEST VER-2A. 9. Using external ohmmeter, check resistance of ignition coil driver circuit Black/Gray wire between distributor 6-pin connector and PCM connector terminal No. 11. If resistance is more than 5 ohms, repair open ignition coil driver circuit. Perform TEST VER-1A. If resistance is 5 ohms or less, replace PCM. Perform TEST VER-2A. NOTE: Next step checks PCM's ability to drive ignition coil driver circuit. An analog voltmeter capable of detecting 0.1 volt is necessary to perform @test step.
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Here's by the book on No Start for your car, but some steps require the chrysler DRB III tool!
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Monday, December 28th, 2009 AT 2:58 PM
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COIL TEST 1. Turn ignition off. Disconnect distributor 2-pin connector and coil wire. Using a DVOM, measure resistance of primary and secondary coil circuits. Measure primary circuit resistance between distributor 2-pin connector terminals (on distributor). 2. Measure secondary circuit resistance between each terminal of distributor 2-pin connector (on distributor) and coil tower. See IGNITION COIL RESISTANCE table. If resistance is within specification, ignition coil is okay. If resistance is not within specification, replace ignition coil.


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DISTRIBUTOR CAP A resistor is built into distributor cap. Remove distributor cap from engine. Disconnect coil wire. Using a DVOM, measure resistance between distributor cap center button and coil terminal. Resistance should be 5000 ohms. If resistance is not within specification, replace distributor cap. If resistance is within specification, distributor cap is okay.
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Monday, December 28th, 2009 AT 3:03 PM
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BOBBY LANCASTER
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Thank you, yea this is what I needed. Check it first thing in the morning.
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Monday, December 28th, 2009 AT 5:41 PM
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Got no spark out of high tension tower checked voltage at 2 pin conn. Dark green /orange wire w/ voltmeter - pos. Lead to green/ orange wire - neg. Lead to eng. Grd. Got less than 10 volts, 3 milli volts. Next step says to repair open at ASD relay output circuit. What is that, location, schematic. Had my leads cossed, pos. Lead to + pos. Neg. Lead to green/orange wire at 2 pin conn, got more than 10 volts. ASD relay checked good. Next step.

PLEASE REPLY SOON!
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Tuesday, December 29th, 2009 AT 9:54 AM
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ASD=Auto shutdown relay, it's in the under hood fuse block Located in position 10 Here's the diagrams and cavity #'s for testing.


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Tuesday, December 29th, 2009 AT 1:26 PM
Tiny
BOBBY LANCASTER
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Checking coil primary, at 2 pin conn. At the distributor across the 2 terminals, on the 200 ohm scale I got 1.1 ohms, should be.06 -.08. Checking coil secondary, on the 20k ohm scale I got 5000 ohms, should be 12,000 - 18,000 ohms. Does this mean my coil is bad.

XXXXXXXXX PLEASE REPLY SOON !XXXXXXXXXX
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2009 AT 10:38 AM
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It seems by these numbers it is, take it with you to the parts store, most can test it before you replace it. How did ASD pin 89 testing go?
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2009 AT 1:00 PM
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BOBBY LANCASTER
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ASD relay circuit check out good. Had my leads crossed when checking 2 pin conn. Green/orange wire. Checking it the right way. Checked out good.
Thank you so much for your help. The imformation from service manual at auto parts store was to vauge.
The imformation you gave me was systematic and tehcnical. I will see if auto parts will test the coil. You have to buy whole distributor. 250.00 bucks. Did you ever check the manufacture date on the distributor? I know your symtoms didnt match exactly, but the TSB does say other symtoms can occur, and I catagorize yours as another symtom.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2009 AT 1:25 PM
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Did you ever check the manufacture date on the distributor? I know your symtoms didnt match exactly, but the TSB does say other symtoms can occur, and I catagorize yours as another symtom.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2009 AT 5:23 PM
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BOBBY LANCASTER
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I dont know were to find the manufacture date for the distributor. The only numbers I found on the distributor were T5T7172 and 1917VC.
But got a distributor from junk yard for 50.00 bucks.
Checked the coil seconary readings on junk yard distributor and the readings are within specs. Going to install it this morning.

XXXXXXXX replacing the distributor fixed it. XXXXXX

thanks for your help. A nother satisfied customer.
HAPPY NEW YEAR !
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Thursday, December 31st, 2009 AT 7:16 AM
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Hate to say I told you so! Happy new year!
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Thursday, December 31st, 2009 AT 1:20 PM
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Where do you get your info from, chilton or haynes manual?
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Saturday, January 2nd, 2010 AT 12:45 PM
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Mitchell on demand, We subscribe to a premium account that allows us to look up most cars and light trucks. Here is how you can subscribe:
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Sunday, January 3rd, 2010 AT 11:03 AM
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Put distributor in started up, but got a high idle condition, idle at 2000 rpms. There was about 1/8 of movement either way of distributor could that have something to do with it.
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Sunday, January 3rd, 2010 AT 6:10 PM

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