Car will not start after radiator hose replaced after popping off

Hi,

Did the vehicle not start after the radiator hose issue? Did the engine overheat? Also, have you checked to see if there is spark and fuel to the engine? I need to determine which is missing.

I will need to confirm engine size and if it is AWD. Now, if you look at the attached picture, you will see the 2.4L engine. I circled two things. One is the water outlet and the other is the crankshaft position sensor. If that is where coolant sprayed, it may have damaged the crankshaft position sensor and that will prevent it from starting. You need to check if there is spark to the spark plugs.

Here are two links that explain how to check for spark and fuel to the engine. Also, the water pump won't directly cause it not to start. However, I need the engine size to know what I am dealing with. In the mean time, check to see if there is spark and fuel to the engine. Regardless of engine size, if one is missing, it won't run. I need to know which is missing.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

The easiest way to check if there is spark is to simply see if the engine tries to start with starting fluid. If it does, then it's a fuel related issue. If it doesn't even try, then it is most likely ignition related.

Here is a general link discussing a crank no start condition. Take a look through it to see if anything helps.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-cranks-but-wont-start

Let me know.

Joe

I need to know if there is spark and fuel to the engine. Also, you mentioned a pop. Was that the radiator hose when it came off? Also, was it the hose that goes to the unit I provided a picture of?

Joe

Not a problem. Since the crankshaft position sensor is so close to that hose, I'm questioning of that was damaged when it happened. If it was, the engine will not be getting spark and won't start.

Let me know.

Take care
Joe

Hi,

If the engine was overheated, it could have caused a head gasket issue. How have they confirmed that? Did they run a compression test to check?

Please keep in mind, a bad head gasket in and of itself, doesn't constitute an engine replacement. More has to be wrong or they don't know what else to say.

If you speak with them, ask these questions.

1) How did you determine the head gasket is bad?

2) did you run a compression test to confirm the head gasket is bad?

3) If you have conformation that the head gasket is bad, why can it be replaced?

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Let me know what they tell you. However, I'm somewhat convinced you may not get the truth. Is this a shop you trust? I only ask because when you have a head gasket that is bad enough to prevent the engine from starting, it is really bad causing very low engine compression. In that case, the sound of the engine itself is different. When a car is that bad and brought to me, I can usually tell it is a compression issue with in 20 seconds of cranking the engine. I'm asking this because you may want it checked at a different location. However, I realize that is problem as far as time.

Let me know.

Joe

I'm not sure where you are located, and I don't know what their labor rate is. However, it does call for 9.8 hours labor. It's a big job. However, the head gasket (OEM) is under 60 dollars. I attached the flat rate for head gasket replacement on this vehicle in the pic below. The first highlighted thing is the gasket cost. Keeping in mind that there are other material costs such as coolant, cleaner, and so on. The second highlighted number shows labor, 9.8 hours. Multiply that by their hourly rate to determine cost.

Lets say they charge 100.00 an hour x 9.8 = 980.00
Head gasket +57.75
Shop materials +100.00
Aprox total 1113.75

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If you look at the labor for removing and replacing the engine, it is 8.6 hours. See pic 2

Labor 100.00 x 8.6 = 860.00

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If you subtract 860. From the 1113.75 that means they are getting you an engine for less than 254.00 dollars. To me, that doesn't sound possible. They did tell you it would be cheaper to replace the engine, so that's why I added this.

I hope it is helpful. Please let me know what happens or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe

Honestly, it really is based on findings. For example, was the oil pan filled with engine coolant and oil? Is there evidence of oil in the coolant system? If there is evidence of coolant getting into the engine oil, then it could be a concern. Otherwise, at least to me, that isn't definitive enough. I don't want you to argue with them, but I would want to know why he feels there is possible internal damage.

Honestly, I can't tell you what all that covers as far as the shop materials. Every shop has their own set of ideas and rules. As far as the purchase of an engine, it will range based on mileage. I attached a pic below that I just copied from ebay to give you an idea. They have a lot of miles on them and they are 1000.00. I hope that helps.

Let me know if you have questions.
Joe

I'm not sure what to say. I'm concerned if you don't make the payment, you will damage your credit. Will he guarantee the new engine if he replaces it?

Joe