Brake pedal that lessens when the brakes are applied

Tiny
JEFF SIMON
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  • 2003 FORD TAURUS
  • 3.0L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 113,500 MILES
Can a leaking brake booster/hose related, give symptoms of brake pedal going to the floor? There is a hissing sound at the floor near the brake pedal that lessens when the brakes are applied. On short stops the pedal will go to the floor, if pumping and slow stops they work okay.

Thursday, June 28th, 2018 AT 7:18 AM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.com.

A vacuum leak to the brake booster will not cause the brake pedal to reach the floor. In reality, it could make the brake pedal harder to press.

If your brake pedal goes to the floor, confirm the master cylinder is full and there are no leaks. Here is a link that discusses the pedal going to the floor:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/brake-pedal-goes-to-the-floor

Now, if you find the brake fluid in the master cylinder is low, I suspect that the fluid is making its way into the brake booster. The master cylinder (MC) is mounted to the booster. What I have seen happen is this. The pistons in the MC begin to leak and allow fluid to bypass them. As a result, often times the fluid will leak from the rear of the MC where it mounts to the booster. The booster then begins to fill with fluid. If you find this is the issue, here are general directions for replacing the MC:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-brake-master-cylinder

Additionally, I have attached an exploded view of a MC for you to see. Look at numbers 10 and 11. They are the pistons I referred to earlier. If brake fluid bypasses them, that will allow the pedal to go to the floor and possibly leak fluid into the booster.

I hope this helps. Let me know what you find or if you have questions, and remember, brakes are not something to ignore. This needs be taken care of. I will be here to help if needed.

Take care,
Joe
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Monday, April 5th, 2021 AT 12:02 PM
Tiny
JEFF SIMON
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Thank you for the reply.
We replaced the MC and the pedal improved, however I am still needing to pump the brakes to stop and if the stop is abrupt the pedal will still go all the way down. I am not using brake fluid and there are no signs of leaks. The mechanic noted that the fluid replaced was green which he had not seen before.

I am at a loss. Is the hissing on the floor a potential issue with this problem? Would replacing the booster be the most effective way to address this?
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Monday, April 5th, 2021 AT 12:02 PM
Tiny
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I did speak with the previous owner (had the car since 60,000 miles, I bought at 112000) who said the sound was always there and they did not appear to have any issues with the brakes.
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Monday, April 5th, 2021 AT 12:02 PM
Tiny
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Hi again:

The fluid should not be green. Can your mechanic flush the system and then properly bleed it when it is done? I have to be honest, maybe someone contaminated the fluid with another product.

Jeff, I need to know something. Are the rear braked drum brakes or disc brakes? Either one was an option. If they are drum brakes, they could be totally out of adjustment which will cause a low or soft pedal. The only other thing would be to have someone watch the rubber brake lines where they attach to the brake calipers. I have see situations where they have broken down and when the brakes are applies, have actually expanded like a balloon.

Again, if there are no leaks, the master cylinder is new, the wheel cylinders and calipers are not leaking, the rear brakes are properly adjusted, your mechanic properly bleed the brakes and the new master cylinder, and there is actually brake fluid in the system and not something other, they should work.

Let me know about the rear brake type. Additionally, check to make sure (if the rear are disc brakes) the pads are not frozen in the caliper mount and the brakes work when you apply the brake pedal.

I will watch for your reply,

Joe
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Monday, April 5th, 2021 AT 12:02 PM
Tiny
JEFF SIMON
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Hi Joe,
We figured it out a few weeks ago, sorry late to respond The brake booster was bad. The brake fluid appeared to have never been bled. We replaced the fluid, master, and booster, The rear (drums) were updated with new springs/kit. All is well so far.

The booster appears to have been a source of other issues. Once it was replaced the car stopped having issues with chugging/stalling. The check engine issue went away. Let's knock on wood just to be safe.

Thanks for all the advice!
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Monday, April 5th, 2021 AT 12:02 PM
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Joe is one of our best! Use 2CarPros anytime, we are here to help. Please tell a friend.

Cheers, Ken
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