ABS C1185 trouble code

Tiny
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Scott M,

Did you check your PM's? I sent you one.

John
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2007 AT 10:18 AM
Tiny
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I am having the same issue with both the ABS and brake light coming on in my 2001 Windstar, 54,000 miles. I live in Virginia (hot and humid) and the problem has existed for a few months now. The codes are C1236, 1185, 1198, 1194, 1254, 1246, 1250, 1242, 1214, 1210, 1260, (one other that I cannot read), and 1404.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2007 AT 12:54 PM
Tiny
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Steve

Wow tech level number one, I feel special.

I want to evaluate my ECM evaluated for the cause of the fire. We do know the two 40 amp circuits have something to do with it.

The cause is one of two things;

Was it behind door number one?
1. The relay in the ECM that threw c1185.

Or door number two?
2. Wicking fluid from the master cyl. Switch to the wiring of the ECM leaking on the contacts?

Right now the ECM is powered off and in the condition it was when the smoke poured out of the unit.

I believe this will be a bigger and bigger issue as mine has 131,000 for a 2002 (which is on the higher side of normal).

Comments or feelings. I really do not have the time to get Jiggy with FoxNews or the like.

ScottM
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2007 AT 7:56 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I live in New York and have a 2001 Windstar with 120,000 miles on it. I too am having problems with the ABS and brake lights coming on. They usually only come on when I have been driving for a while or if I brake hard. When I turn the engine off and on again the lights disappear. I have replaced the front and rear brakes and still have this problem. The mechanic at Kost thinks this problem may be related to bad wheel bearings heating up. Sorry I do not have any C codes yet, but will post them when I do. The hard and soft acceleration test do not cause the lights to come on. Is it safe to drive the van like this?

Thanks,

Roy
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2007 AT 9:38 PM
Tiny
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Thanks Steve, I am going to put together a complaint and file it with the above site. Hopefully my fellow Canadians will get on board and squawk loudly also. Ford has to get their house in order.
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Wednesday, August 29th, 2007 AT 7:27 AM
Tiny
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I have a 2002 Windstar and have received the same error codes. I get three lights the red brake, ABS and trac off. The van also has a message that says check traction control. The problem initially started and would only occur after a few minutes and sometimes not at all. Lately it has been occurring within the first minute or two of driving, or if the engine is warm, almost immediately. My mechanic looked at the van and said that it was the ECU unit and could only be replaced by a dealer. I received a recall in the mail earlier this week for the speed control switch mentioned in other postings. The recall was for a 1993 E-350 van and not for the Windstar. In any case the recall number is 05S28. The recall if for the SCDS (speed control deactivation switch) and says the Ford has authorized the installation of a "fused wire harness into the speed control system". The notice specifies ". Posing the risk of an under hood fire. This condition may occur either when the vehicle is parked or when it is being operated, even if the speed control is not in use."
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Wednesday, August 29th, 2007 AT 4:24 PM
Tiny
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I have a 1999 Windstar with a brake fluid leak and intermittent ABS light. I do not know enough about the van models to conclude whether or not I could be experiencing the same problems as the 2001-2002 models. Any thoughts? Should I be following the recommendations posted in this thread, or has the braking design been modified between the years in question?

Thank you,

George
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Wednesday, August 29th, 2007 AT 10:39 PM
Tiny
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I have a 2002 Windstar with the ABS/brake lights coming on intermittently. So far my Ford dealer has not been able to diagnose the problem. When I take the van in the lights are off and no codes come off the computer.

I see that others have had the same problem.

TSB data for: 2002 FORD WINDSTAR
Bulletin Number: 15682
Sequence Number: 636312
Date: 20020301
Component Name: 036400 SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK:ABS WARNING LIGHT
Make: FORD
Model: WINDSTAR
Year: 2002
Summary:
EXHIBITING INTERMITTENT ANTI-SKID BRAKE SYSTEM AND / OR RED BRAKE LAMP ON AT TIMES WHILE DRIVING. *TT

This is all I have. Perhaps this will help others as I have no car repair experience.
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Thursday, August 30th, 2007 AT 8:40 AM
Tiny
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Harold From PA. Same problems with 2002. C1185, c1194, c1198, c1210, c1214, c1242, 1246,1250, and 1254. Nice list. Weathers been warm here. May be a factor. Just stated with yous so I will try checking connector and the switch. More to come.
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Friday, August 31st, 2007 AT 7:16 PM
Tiny
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Steve;

The link you supplied does not function. I would really like to read it. Thanks.

John
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Friday, August 31st, 2007 AT 11:24 PM
Tiny
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Welcome Harold. As suggested in the thread above remove the two 40 amp ABS fuses. You are in a large (ugly) club and we are all working toward a solution.

Scott
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Saturday, September 1st, 2007 AT 5:56 AM
Tiny
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I will inspect my connector for damage and take pictures. Maybe if I am lucky, this weekend. I think it could be melted in place.

Scott
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Saturday, September 1st, 2007 AT 5:58 AM
Tiny
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Steve;

Thanks for the PM, the PDF file came through okay as did the pictures. I will try and do an inspection this weekend and post pics like ScottM.

Can you post the phone numbers for us to call Ford and complain about the lack of recall? Thanks.

John
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Saturday, September 1st, 2007 AT 12:41 PM
Tiny
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I own a 1997 Windstar, and happened to come across this thread. This problem has been around a while with me. My regular mechanic says it is a dealers problem. The one symptom I have not seen yet is both my lights will come on, my red brake light is always on.
When the ABS light is off, and I apply the brakes, it sounds like the brakes are grinding (all new brakes about 10,000 ago).

My own curiosity to what is causing this is getting the better of me.

Thanks
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Saturday, September 1st, 2007 AT 11:20 PM
Tiny
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Steve;

I performed the steps outlined in the TSB you emailed to me. I do not have the 2x mark module, pins were not corroded, wires were seated and sealed properly. However, I have connector number 039. What should I do from here? Will Ford install the pigtail at their cost?

I have attached some pictures.

John


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Sunday, September 2nd, 2007 AT 2:10 PM
Tiny
STEVE.GODDARD
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Hello. I am new to this forum.

Last week I bought a 2003 Ford Winstar SE with 115,000 miles. The (red) brake light and ABS light were on intermittently. I did not pay attention because I had the same problem in my 1994 Ford Ranger and it did not give me any problems and no one could figure out what the cause of it was.
After purchasing the Winstar we drove it from PA to NC and back with no problems (outside temperatures maintained ninety plus degrees).
After getting back my wife was driving the vehicle and the brakes suddenly failed (went to the floor with minimal braking power). We had it towed and is waiting outside our regular mechanic shop until this Wednesday.
I am not too worried about the sensor lights but the brake failure obviously is a problem. Do you think the two are related?
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Monday, September 3rd, 2007 AT 9:22 AM
Tiny
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I have a 2000 Windstar with the same ABS problems and codes as listed on this thread. I want to thank everyone for their input. I am watching with great interest. This is a very helpful forum.
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Monday, September 3rd, 2007 AT 9:59 AM
Tiny
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ScottM here. We are one lucky family that is all I have to say. Below are the pictures of the remainder of my ABS connector and many others that depict other points of interest.

FYI: Speedometer, cruise, odometer and many things no longer work with this device disconnected. Due to the damage to the unit it appears I no longer have a choice but to replace it and its associated wiring harness.

I also removed the switch on the bottom side of the master cylinder and plugged it with a 3/16" standard brass plug. The switch was leaky and the wires connected to that switch went directly to the connector on the ABS unit in question.

My next step is to reinforce my case with the NHTSA, write Ford a letter with pictures requesting that they replace my damaged parts (hah, like that will do any good, but nothing ventured nothing recovered.)


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Monday, September 3rd, 2007 AT 11:35 AM
Tiny
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I have a 2003 SEL Windstar and for the last three years the ABS and brake lights have been on. The brakes test okay so I was not really too worried about it. However, now that I am in Germany, they do not want to renew my registration due to the lights being on. I took the van to the Ford Dealer and they told me that it was gonna cost me 1900 Euros ($2700) for a new ABS control module. I have not picked up the van yet, and after reading this forum I will be sure to ask for the codes that they came up with when they tested it. I will also try some of the ideas that you have given out over the last eight pages of this thread. What I really want to know is, How many of these things have to be reported to ford for them to do a recall? Is there a way to make a formal request for recall? Any help would be great.
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Monday, September 3rd, 2007 AT 1:43 PM
Tiny
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ScottM;

Wow! The good Lord was looking out for you and your family on that day! I cannot believe Ford is still keeping its head in the sand. Hopefully your pictures will convince them otherwise.

John
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Monday, September 3rd, 2007 AT 4:09 PM

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