ECM problem

Tiny
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I got the diagrams from the link you sent now I have some questions. On the data link connecector behind the dash to the right of the steering column on the wiring diagram four of the connector pins are labled: (TC) pink/black, (SIL) red, (CG) white/black, (Bat) black. What do these labels mean? (SIL) is the red wire on the diagram and it shoes it going to the ECM. The pink/black wire (TC) also goes to the ECM. Now the question is why does my van run when I connect thr OBD tester to the van? Initially also the new computer I stuck in there worked for 1/2-1 second then stopped.
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Tuesday, June 15th, 2010 AT 12:58 AM
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I am going to see a specialist in ECU problems, I am starting to run out of ideas, with out having it in front of me, this is becoming very frustrating, I hope to be able to post something soon, trouble is, these people will want the car to test, but I may get something of help with a call.

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Thursday, June 17th, 2010 AT 4:46 PM
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Ok please please please help.
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Friday, June 18th, 2010 AT 2:33 AM
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The tech said that with this type of problem, it should be looked at by a tech with a very good understanding of engine management problems, it is important to eliminate all probable causes one by one, he also said that in all his years he had never come across such as problem, one suggestion was to do a continuity test through each ECU wire to test for a high resistance or a earth leak, if a new ECU has been fitted we can eliminate this a problem, so logic says that the issue is loom related or a sensor or driver that is back feed a current that is shutting down the ECU, now this is a time consuming thing to take on, he suggests that testing the fault gathering capability of the ECU first is where to start, that is disconnect a sensor and try and start, then do a scan to determine that the ecu is reading faults correctly, also he said that if you can get a scanner with live data read out a tech can check many systems are incorrect value without actually doing a hands on bench test of each item, a fer things to get on with.

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Saturday, June 19th, 2010 AT 8:11 PM
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Maybe the computers I have are good and it is just a sensor or loom that is hindering the computer for starting. A good ECU, but a sensor or wire with wrong values not allowing the ECU to function properly? I should check ech wire going to the ECU for short to ground?
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Sunday, June 20th, 2010 AT 4:41 AM
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With out having this in front of me to check first hand is really difficult, especially a problem that is not able to be resolved by conventional wisdom, as for why the engine will run with the OBD11 tester connected only, that I just don't know, I have no idea as to the workings of the tester that will over ride what every is causing this problem, maybe if you contact the manufacturer of the tester and ask there tech department they may have a better idea as to why it is so, this post is now on our moderators board for all the techs to see, I can only hope that one of them can shed some new light onto this, often fresh eyes can see what we are now blind to.

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Sunday, June 20th, 2010 AT 6:39 AM
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I have gone back over all the posts, and this stands out.

I pulled the scan tool itself and left the cord on and the van continued to run with just the cord plugged in. Cord gets warm a little. Once I pull the cord it dies out.

What type off scanner are you using? With the cord still attached is it still able to run) which wires to which pins feel warm? What is the connection like to look at? Is it just a loon with a plug to fit both ends? Is there a interface that you also have plugged in? There must be some sort of circuit associated with this "cord" as if it is, it will just be individual wires between to plugs and this will do nothing,

sorry about all the weird questions but I am really grasping at straws just now to come up with some form of attack to sort this out.

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Sunday, June 20th, 2010 AT 6:54 AM
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I am using an INNOVA 3100 tester. I will take pictures of the connections. The cord, the tester etc. Thanks I understand cars, so don't worry about so many questions. I am an airplane mechanic and a car mechanic. I also went to universal tech institute in 1991
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Sunday, June 20th, 2010 AT 3:36 PM
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https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/287950_Picture_1468_1.jpg


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Sunday, June 20th, 2010 AT 3:45 PM
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https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/287950_Picture_1473_1.jpg



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https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/287950_Picture_1472_1.jpg

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Sunday, June 20th, 2010 AT 3:50 PM
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With your back ground, then I am sure that you can understand my own frustration with this, have you considered the last set of questions I sent?

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Sunday, June 20th, 2010 AT 5:24 PM
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I think that there is a circuit associated with the cord because if there was no circuit the cord would not do anything
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Monday, June 21st, 2010 AT 3:00 AM
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A continuity test of the adaptor loom would show up, if you get 0 ohms resistance down each wire, that should tell you, would you agree?

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Monday, June 21st, 2010 AT 3:05 AM
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Which loom are you referring to? I should read out the van's data link connection or the black OBDII tester cable? The black tester cable to see how the circuit of the cable is set up? We know it is the cable that is sending power through/or grounding a circuit to make the van run.
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Monday, June 21st, 2010 AT 11:54 AM
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The OBD scanner cable, I cant see how that is creating a circuit.
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Monday, June 21st, 2010 AT 4:50 PM
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The main problem is that with the cable plugged in it is making the van run so it is allowing a pin to cross over to another pin. So I should run the continuity test on the OBD tester cord to see what it is doing when it is plugged in.
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Monday, June 21st, 2010 AT 5:20 PM
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Yes, so I would be checking that cable independently first,

also just to let you know, in a few days I will be away for about 1 week, so I may not be able to reply as I wont have any access to a network where I am going.

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Monday, June 21st, 2010 AT 6:46 PM
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I jumpered the data link connection on the van. it is the 2 together in the middle on the bottom row. I jumped it with some wire and it got very very hot. the van started and ran. this should help us now. What do you guys think now?


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Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010 AT 3:10 AM
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This is the schematic of the data link connector, what is the colour of the 2 wires you have bridged out?


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/61395_Capture_38.jpg



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Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010 AT 3:37 AM
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White/black & brown
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