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Tiny
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What manual are you using? I'm wondering if my Haynes manual is giving me the right info. I got 5 volts from chapter 6 page 15, it says approx. 5 volts. So if the voltage is too high what should I do?
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 10:21 AM
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Mike.

We are using MITCHELL1. Generally percieved to be the best on the market ! Of course nothing is infallable. And ours coud be wrong. As we saw with the wiring diagrams earlier. By the way while we are on the subject. Are your haynes wiring diagrams correct?.

This manual is stating that if the voltage is wrong then check the IAT. If this is found to be working correctly. Check wiring or replace PCM/ECM. My option is, I would rather swap the IAT than replace the ECM/PCM

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Dave H
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 10:42 AM
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I've already replaced the ECM so I guess the IAT is next. The wiring diagrams in the haynes were similar to yours they didn't show the change in colors from one connecter to the other
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 10:47 AM
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Hey Mike.

If you don't mind me asking. When and why did you replace the ECM.?

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Dave H

Good question, Dave. What WERE the symptoms you were trying to correct when you changed the ECM?
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 11:05 AM
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I replaced it about 3 months ago. The reason was because I was showing a check engine light and when I took it into a shop to have it diagnosed he said he found the coolant temp sensor or the computer was bad we changed the sensor ist then the computer. And the light is still on. So I took it home and have been driving it with the light on.
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 12:33 PM
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Mike, I wish you had told us that earlier. Before we start changing parts, we need to know what is causing the ECL to stay on. Can you get us the codes and descriptions ASAP.
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 1:02 PM
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Hey Mike.

I remember you mentioning it now and I looked back through the post's ..it's a big jump from coolant temp sensor to bad ECM ? ... was it a NEW ECM or one from a wrecker's yard or reconditioned .. ?

So this fault has been happening for 3 month's and did not just start happening .. you said earlier that you alway's put it down to the alarm .. has it been the same fault all along ?? also are you going to change the IAT please and if possible have the codes read again...LOL ...

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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 1:24 PM
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When the mechanic checked the car out he checked for codes and what he told me was he only found one thing that might be wrong and that was the coolant temp. Sensor. He said he couldn't get a good read from the ECM so he changed the CTS to see if that would fix it. But it didn't so he said the only other thing was the ECM because NOTHING else, no other code showed up. He put in a new one and still light stayed on and at the time was starting and running ok. What I said earlier about why I think its the alarm is because I wasn't having starting problems until I ran the battery down completely the other day, because I left the tail lights on. When I charged the battery up I began to have the alarm go off so I disabled it by pulling the connecter out of the alarm box. This worked and that's when the red light on the dash came on and stayed on. Since then I've been having these wierd starting problems. I've always found it to be true when you have a new problem come up it's usually because you did something for one problem and it screwed something else up. So that's why I feel the alarm may be the problem.
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 3:58 PM
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Question? In the relay box in the front left side of eng. Compartment, There is a starter relay. If that relay was working erratically would that cause the car to shut off suddenly? Because back around page 4 or 5 I went into the relay fuse box and it was after that I began having starting problems.
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 4:08 PM
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Mike, even though the only code you originally had was for the CTS, there may be others stored now. If we try to continue from here without knowing what may be srored in ECM memory, all we're doing is guessing and we're going to wind up with another 20 pages of dialog. Please, do us all, including yourself, a scan the ECM memory. It may well be the alarm, but we need to rule out what the ECM has to say first. Your thoughts on this?

D.H.) I agree with James. We need to know what fault's. If any. Are stored on the ECM. Also did the CEL go out directly after replacing the ECM and then come back on. Or. Has it never gone out at all?
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 4:15 PM
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Well I just eliminated the alarm. I disconnected the alarm module and the car started. Then it shut down after 10 secs. But that tells me it will start and run without alarm. Thanks guys.I'll clue you in as soon as I know something.
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 5:25 PM
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The only thing between the battery and the starter is the start relay. The relay is closed by the key switch in start position. This circuit will have nothing to do with the engine running/stalling.
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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 5:41 PM
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Hey Mike.

Most good autopart's stores (autozone etc.) will check the codes for free .. ring and check before you go .. I think o'reilly's have just started chargeing ...let us know


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Friday, March 20th, 2009 AT 5:43 PM
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I have a question. Can a faulty MAP sensor cause the problem I'm having?
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Saturday, March 21st, 2009 AT 12:42 PM
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Hey Mike.

A faulty MAP sensor will generally give driveability issues rather than cold start issues ..?

Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor
The MAP sensor monitors intake manifold intake air volume and delivers an input signal to Engine Control Module (ECM). The ECM uses input signal for controlling fuel injection system and ignition timing (spark advance).

Did you get the ECM scanned yet ?.. this will hopefully tell us where the fault lies !!

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Saturday, March 21st, 2009 AT 1:56 PM
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No because I haven't been able to keep it running long enough. I did a self diagnostic on it where you jump Te1 & E1. The result was a 22, 24, & 31 code. I don't know whether to trust the results because the manual says the 31 code is for 6 cyls.
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Saturday, March 21st, 2009 AT 2:12 PM
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Hey mike.

There is a code 31 on 2.2L 4 cyl ..it's MAP sensor circuit

code22 is ECT sensor which you already replaced !

code24 is IAT sensor which we have aked you to change ..!!

Let me know !


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Saturday, March 21st, 2009 AT 2:31 PM
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Would any of those codes shut the car down or keep it from starting? Are there any sensors in the entire system that will shut the car down or keep it from starting. Are there any circuit breakers in the ign. System?
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Saturday, March 21st, 2009 AT 2:43 PM
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Mike.

Be very carefull working with the ECM even static electricity can damage the ECM .. the ECM will shut the car down if it senses something is wrong .. there are no cicuit breakers to cut engine .. unless you want to call the ECM a cicuit breaker .. ?

1))The ECT sensor would give driveability issues once vehicle is running !!

Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor
The ECT contains a built-in thermistor in which resistance varies according to engine coolant temperature. The ECT delivers an input signal to THW terminal of Engine Control Module (ECM). The ECM uses input signal for controlling Pulsed Secondary Air Injection (PAIR) system (if equipped), fuel injection system, overdrive operation on electronically controlled transaxles/transmissions, ignition timing (spark advance), idle speed control system, fuel pressure control system (if equipped), heated oxygen sensor system (if equipped) and EGR system.

2))The IAT will give hard start and cutting out/stalling isssues to the vehcile on starting!!

Intake Air Temperature (IAT) Sensor
Intake air temperature sensor is mounted in either airflow meter or air filter housing. Intake air temperature sensor measures incoming intake air temperature and delivers an input signal to THA terminal of Engine Control Module (ECM) for controlling fuel injection system, fuel pressure control (if equipped) and heated oxygen sensor systems (if equipped).

3))The MAP sensor will give stalling/cutting out issues and driveability issues once running !! fuel lean/rich

Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor
The MAP sensor monitors intake manifold intake air volume and delivers an input signal to Engine Control Module (ECM). The ECM uses input signal for controlling fuel injection system and ignition timing (spark advance).

ALL 3 use the same ground terminal from the ECM you could check this terminal

NOTE:If Codes 22, 24, 31 and 41 are output together, inspect ECM terminal E2 (ground) circuit. Repair as needed.

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Saturday, March 21st, 2009 AT 4:49 PM
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Thanks Dave : It seems like I need to change all 3 of those sensors. I'm gonna check that ground and then start replacing one by one. Cheapest 1st. Talk to you later
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