Seized eccentric alignment bolts?

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Hi! I've asked this question before, but the last time I did, it seemed to vanish into the ether. I can't retrieve it or any answers to it. So, I'll ask again, but in a different way.
I've been told my eccentric alignment adjuster bolts are seized in the bushings. My alignment is bad, and my last tires wore out way too fast, my own fault.
I have just bought new tires and shocks. I am excited to slap them on the truck before winter buries us all here in Canada. However, I need to fix this problem before that can happen.
So! My new question is this: Is there any possible way to free up these bolts without cutting them off or using a torch, both of which will require replacing the control arms I'm told. All of the front-end parts are good and don't require replacement, but I'm guessing the rubbers in the bushings must be on their way out. I plan to have a detailed look tomorrow.
It's a pretty old truck, rusting out and such, and it's worth keeping, but at what cost? I've just spent $500.00 on this stuff, I'd rather not have to spend $1,500.00 more on control arms. All these things are quite expensive in Canada. I don't have the tools or the space to do this job myself.
If it takes me a week to free these bolts, I will do it. Any suggestions anyone?
Thank you so much!
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 12:44 AM

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Tiny
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Those bolts don't have to be freed up inside the bushings. In the first drawing, this is part of the adjustment procedure. Note step 7. Remove that plastic cam. Those are real flimsy and are only used on the assembly line to make adjustment faster. They don't want us to have it that easy. You can break off that cam, or remove the nut, then slide the cam off and throw it away. At that point the clamping force of the bolt will be low enough you should be able to slide the bolt in and out to make the adjustments. You may need a pry bar and a large hammer. The bolt won't have to rotate, and it's best if it doesn't. If you use a wrench to turn the bolt by its head, and then tighten the nut that way, it will put that bushing into a permanent twist. That will seriously shorten the life of the bushing since as the suspension goes up and down, one way it will over-twist the bushing and eventually tear it off the metal sleeves.

Let me point you in a different direction first. Those sliding bolts are very unlikely to have moved on their own. Unless the truck was crashed or parts affecting the alignment were replaced, camber and caster adjustments are likely still correct or at least close enough to not cause serious tire wear. I've run into a real lot of similar models where the wear results from sagged suspension ride height. For the age of your truck, that is real common with coil springs, but your model uses easily-adjustable torsion bars, similar to what Chrysler used since 1960. Those can sag a lot on just one side in only a few years.

In fact, the second step in any alignment, after "reading" the tire wear patterns, is always to measure ride height. A conscientious alignment specialist will not take your money or attempt to do an alignment if he is not allowed to correct ride height first. It can still be possible to have enough adjustment left to get front caster and camber to specs, but you'll still have miserable tire wear if ride height isn't right. That's also why we never raise or lower our own vehicles like so many people do today. Incorrect ride height causes the control arms to draw the wrong arcs as they travel up and down. The upper arms are always shorter and angled down to cause the wheel to tip in and out on top as the suspension goes up and down, (That system is called the "short-arm / long-arm, (SLA) suspension system). It's a combination of really strong and provides the best ride quality, but it's only used on trucks today because it's so heavy. This system also provides the best tire wear over struts and I-beam systems, but only when the geometry of the parts is correct. That means ride height.

I'm embarrassed to show you how unbelievably-complicated they made measuring ride height for your truck, but here it is in the last four drawings. Chrysler's method involved taking two measurements on each front corner, then calculating ride height. That method eliminated the variable of different size tires. You may find a simpler method if you visit any tire and alignment shop and ask to see their book. They all have a very small book that lists each car and truck model, then shows where to take the measurements and what they should be. I can simplify even that for you. Find two identical points on each front corner, such as the top of the bumper, or top of a side marker light, measure those distances to the ground, and compare the two readings. Adjust the lower corner up by turning the bolt under the front seat area, clockwise. It can be easier to do that if you raise the vehicle up to get its weight off that bolt.

For every inch you raise one corner, expect to see the other corner go up about a half inch. The two sides interact a little since both are really raising the entire front end. I've had a lot of trucks that didn't need any alignment adjustments at all once ride height was corrected this way. My dealer had a lot of happy owners when they got a bill much lower than expected.

When measuring, the tires should be the same size and inflated equally. Steering must be straight ahead, and the vehicle should be sitting on reasonably level ground. One corner will go up while the other corner drops when you turn the steering to either side. That would make your measurements invalid.
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Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 8:44 PM
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Thank you for your very in-depth experience and advice. I appreciate it immensely, as this doesn't seem to be on too many people's radars for some reason.
When I took my truck to the "good" garage, they spoke a bit about the torsion bars, but they didn't seem to really understand how they played into this scenario. I have a new question for you.
The alignment had not been adjusted for years. It was always good. Someone banged my bumper on the passenger side 3 years ago. A big dent in the bumper, even bent the whole thing down and in a bit. That must have changed things, yes?
My left wheel bearing cratered and I needed new inner tie rods a few months ago so I had it all done. And aligned. They had trouble with it. I hoped it would fix the constant drifting, but it has not.
You mentioned that if the ride height is not correct, nothing can be correct. My truck is 20 years old.
What I thought was strange was that both tires on the right side were down to 4/32' from new 13/32'
Both tires on the left side were down to 7/32". Is this a ride height thing? Because I've never seen that before.
Please help me again!
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Wednesday, November 23rd, 2022 AT 2:44 AM
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I put some drawing's together that might help, but I took some liberties and exaggerated a few details for clarity. Nothing here is to any scale.

In the first drawing, one important note is the lower control arm is nearly parallel to the ground. As a point of interest, the pivot points, (balls and sockets) of the inner and outer tie rod ends will also be very nearly right behind or right in front of the lower control arm bushing and the lower ball joint. Drag racers watch that very closely. That prevents a wheel from turning slightly left or right as the suspension goes up and down. That's designed in and we can't change it. If it's wrong, it's because something is bent from a crash. Also note the upper control arm is shorter and angles downward at the upper ball joint. Another side note. The upper ball joint is closer to the frame than the lower ball joint. They aren't right over each other. Along with that, the top of the spindle comes in well over an inch to where the ball joint's stud is attached. Overall, that holds the spindle perfectly vertical, but when the wheel is steered to either side, that offset in the spindle makes the wheel and tire tip into the turn. That is one of at least five ways of explaining "caster", one of the three main alignment angles. Caster has to be visualized, so it can be hard for students to understand it at first.

The second drawing is the same, but I added the red and blue lines to show the arcs the two ball joints go through as the truck bounces up and down as you go down the road. The lower blue line shows the lower ball joint actually moves left and right very little as it goes up and down, but it is significant. In the earliest versions of this system, the two control arms were the same length. That made tire wear and alignment changes immune from changes in ride height, however, due to those arcs, the wheel and tire moved left and right a fraction of an inch. That sliding of the tire resulted in very rapid tire wear. If used today, the front tires likely wouldn't last 10,000 miles.

This short-arm / long-arm system took care of that as it causes the wheel to tip slightly making the tire switch between riding more on the inner edge to more on the outer edge, changing with height changes from bouncing down the road.

The suspension has sagged in the third drawing. The wheel, tire, and ball joints are still the same distance from the ground, but over on the left side of the drawing, the control arm bushings are lower, along with the frame and body. The red dashed lines show where the control arms are supposed to be. As the lower control arm goes up, the lower ball joint moves out almost nothing, but it's the upper control arm that goes through the bigger arc, and that ball joint moves out a lot. That tips the wheel out on top and makes the tire run more on the outer edge.

I gotta stop here a minute and explain "camber", which is another of the three main alignment angles. It is simply the inward or outward tilt of the wheel, as viewed from in front of or behind the vehicle. It's measured in degrees, 0 degrees being standing straight up. If you can imagine the wheel tipped so far that it's laying flat on its side, on the ground, that would be 90 degrees. Positive numbers mean it's tipped out on top. A few car models call for negative camber. That makes handling a little better, but at the expense of accelerated tire wear. Most vehicles call for roughly a quarter degree to as much as 3/4 degree positive camber for best tire wear and for the least stress on the wheel bearings. Along with that, since wheels are offset, tilting the spindle that little bit places the vehicle's weight directly over the larger inner wheel bearing. Its job is to carry the weight. The smaller outer bearing's only job is supposed to be to hold the wheel straight, not carry any load. Positive camber also moves the vehicle's weight closer to the center of the tire's tread, again, improving tire wear.

I have to stop here for now because more drawings are in the works. This should be enough so far to entertain you until I get back with more wonderful tidbits.
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Wednesday, November 23rd, 2022 AT 5:48 PM
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Okay; here's what I worked on last night:

Part 2

The fourth drawing is an expanded view of the upper control arm bushing that sits inside a metal bracket. Each side of that bracket has a slotted hole. The bolt goes through those holes and the hole through the center of the bushing. The bolt is shown slid out, away from the frame rail almost all the way.

In the fifth drawing, the bolt and bushing are slid in, closer to the frame. That is how the control arm and upper ball joint are moved in and out to set camber, but it gets a little more complicated. Let me explain caster first.

A good way to see caster is to look at the front fork of a motorcycle or bicycle. It is angled rearward at the top. In this case the pivot points are centered right over the center of the tire. When you put weight on it, the tire wants to squirt out straight ahead. That is what allows you to ride no-handed.

On your truck, the wheel is offset, or outside the pivot points, (ball joints). When you look from the side of the truck, as in the sixth drawing, the upper ball joint is further back than the lower ball joint. This is positive caster and matches the bicycle fork. As late as the mid '60s, most cars and trucks used negative caster. That made steering even a larger, heavy truck real easy without power steering. The tradeoff is negative caster is rather unstable and leads to steering wander and the need to constantly make corrections.

By the later '60s when we started driving faster and further, that wander got to be very tiring. Positive caster greatly increases directional stability, but it also increases steering effort, which would also be tiring. That's why power steering was added.

There's two alignment considerations with caster and camber. The first is tire wear. Camber is easy to see. If positive camber is too high, the wheel will be tipped out too far on top. The tire runs on the outer edge, so it wears down much faster than the rest of the tread. Caster is a little trickier. While the steering is set straight ahead, caster has no effect on tire wear, but for the benefit of others reading this, especially anyone preparing to take the suspension and alignment test for technician certification, caster is considered to be a tire wear angle. That's because when steering to one side, caster causes the wheels to tip in that direction. The further you turn the steering wheel, the more the wheels and tires lean, so the more weight is on the edges of the tires. That leaning mainly occurs at real low speeds, as when in a parking lot. Not many miles are put on that way, but for answering test questions, they still consider it a wear angle.

The other consideration is pulling, or drifting to one side when you let go of the steering wheel. Camber, again, is very basic. A tire wants to roll in the direction it's leaning. Besides setting both wheels to specs, we want camber to be as close to the same as possible. That way the left tire's pull will be offset by that of the right tire. When camber is not equal, the vehicle will pull toward the wheel with the higher camber setting. More on that in a minute.

Caster again has to be visualized. If it helps, exaggerate it for clarity. If you could imagine the upper ball joint moved back more and more until is straight behind the lower ball joint, it's easy to see if you put the truck's weight on it, that wheel would fold up with the tire hitting the frame. That's real extreme and would be considered 90 degrees. The ball joints straight over each other is 0 degrees. A common and typical spec for caster is around 3 degrees. Even with such a small value, if you placed the truck's weight on that tire, it would turn toward the center of the vehicle, and most of us wouldn't be strong enough to pull it back by hand. The other wheel does the same thing. It's when both spindles are connected with the steering linkage that the two forces offset each other. The higher the caster value, the harder that wheel wants to turn toward the center of the truck. If the left wheel is, ... Lets say 3 degrees, and the right one is 4 degrees, the right one will want to pull left harder than the left one wants to pull right. The right one will overcome the left tire's pull, plus have additional pull to the left. A one degree difference is significant and can be tiring.

Camber pulls very close to twice as hard as caster. To say that a different way, if you have a one degree caster pull to the right, and a half degree camber pull to the left, those pulls will exactly offset each other, and the vehicle will go straight. Those differences have to be factored in when we calculate the results in our head, but those must be kept as low as possible. When the differences get too large, while the pulls can still offset each other, it will cause instability, such as when the vehicle bounces up and down over railroad tracks. You'll see the steering wheel oscillate left and right as the front of the vehicle bounces up and down, while the truck keeps going straight.

Other things can affect how a vehicle pulls to one side, but we generally check the alignment first when diagnosing the cause. For smaller vehicles that use a front strut suspension system, they still have a lower ball joint, but the other steering pivot point is the strut's upper mount. Everything related to camber is the same, but not so with caster. I don't have a reason why, but while those vehicles do have specs for caster, a difference from side to side does not cause a pull on 99 percent of models. All alignment computers measure it automatically, but there is rarely a provision for adjusting it or is it necessary. I've had as much as a three degree difference, but no pull. With a three degree difference on your truck, you'd need both hands on the steering wheel to fight the pull.

Okay, to finally address your original question, drawing 7 shows the upper control arm as viewed from looking down through the fender while standing next to the tire. This is the left front corner of the vehicle. The purple arrow is pointing to one of the bolts that must be loosened to allow that corner of the control arm to be slid in or out. The green arrow is pointing to the center of the bushing where, from your description, the bolt is rusted to the metal sleeve in the bushing. Most of the time once the nut is loosened, hammering on the end of the bolt lets it release enough to allow adjustment. The bolt doesn't have to be free to rotate.

Both corners of the control arm are slid out all the way. That wheel will have too much positive camber. Compare that to the arm in the eighth drawing. Here both corners are slid in all the way. Now that wheel will have too much negative camber. Both of these corners need to be adjusted somewhere in the middle of that range. Adjusting both equally in or out changes camber.

Where the fun, (frustration) starts is in the ninth drawing. If the front bushing is pulled out, and the rear bushing is pushed in an equal amount, camber will stay the same, but the upper ball joint will move rearward. That increases positive caster. One bushing in and the other one out changes caster. Both in or both out changes camber. The goal now is to jockey them around until you get both camber and caster where you want them. We have to be very picky with camber due to its huge effect on tire wear. We can take whatever we get with caster, within reason. Way more important than the tiny amount of tire wear, caster is responsible for the steering system self-returning to center after you make a turn. Also, the higher the caster, the harder it is to turn the steering wheel, but the faster it returns to center.

Where the bigger problem occurs is when we move on to the second wheel. We have to set camber to specs, and match it to the first wheel, but now we can't just take whatever caster ends up at. We have to get caster to match the first wheel while also still matching camber. Very often we run back and forth changing first one wheel, then the other one, until we get the readings close enough. Starting in the '60s, Chrysler used these same two bolts, but they had offset "cam" bolts. Those have a built-in washer offset from the threaded section. Those did have to be free to rotate. As you turn the bolt head, the bolt was forced to slide in or out. That made making tiny, accurate adjustments real easy with the added benefit those bolts couldn't slip accidentally if you hit a curb. They still use a similar cam bolt on their struts, making camber adjustment real easy. With your design, the bolts have to be tightened very securely to prevent that accidental slipping. Those two benefits is why your truck had those plastic cams under the bolt heads, but those were only for use on the assembly line.

If you get a printout of the alignment, I can interpret the numbers for you. Back when all we had was large, heavy rear-wheel-drive cars, it was sufficient to measure caster and camber to the nearest eighth or sixteenth of a degree. Alignment equipment was mechanical. Once light-weight front-wheel-drive cars showed up, especially those with strut suspension, we needed a real lot more precision. At a minimum, we can set our alignment computers to read to a tenth of a degree. That is only done by mechanics who are more interested in time over customer satisfaction. At the dealership I always set my computer to read to the hundredth of a degree. That brings me to my last point of value. We always adjust in a slight left-hand pull to offset the results of "road crown". That's the slant to the right so water runs off the road surface. With your truck and older similar cars, we could do that with about a quarter degree more camber on the left wheel or a half degree more caster on the right wheel. Back in the '90s, with little cars with struts, I had the best luck when adjusting in 0.06 degrees more camber on the left side. There's no way you could get that precise with old mechanical equipment. That's also why I set my computer to read to that much accuracy. That's for people who are more interested in no customer complaints even though it takes a lot more time to get good results.

I know that's a lot to take in, but now I want to apply that to ride height. The frame rail, upper and lower control arms, and the spindle form four sides of a geometric relationship resembling a square. When at the correct ride height, as the spindle moves up and down, it tips in and out on top just enough to reduce one cause of tire wear. When the spring sags, that geometric relationship is all messed up. It results in the tire tipping in and out an exaggerated amount, and the tread slides back and forth sideways across the road surface more than normal. That is why all the alignment numbers can look perfect, but you'll still have horrible tire wear.

Another way to look at this is if you start with both wheels in perfect alignment, then do nothing except lower the ride height, camber readings will have gone out of specs. If all you do is readjust camber, as many inexperienced mechanics do, the numbers on the computer will again look perfect, but you'll still have real bad tire wear due to the geometric angles being wrong. Numbers on the computer only apply to a vehicle that is standing still. Tire wear comes from the changes in those angles as the car is bouncing up and down. This is where if you do not readjust any alignment angles, but just raise ride height back up to where it should be, it beings all the alignment angles back to where they used to be, which was correct.

One more clue to be aware of, when you said you had miserable tire wear, but there was no mention of pulling or crooked steering wheel, that immediately suggests to me nothing got hit, bent, or shifted, so the alignment adjustments aren't the cause of that wear. It's ride height that is the much better suspect, and you can correct or improve that yourself. The exception is if someone previously readjusted caster and camber while the ride height was sagged and not corrected first. Now, once ride height is brought back to specs, camber will change and no longer be in specs. It will have to be readjusted after ride height is corrected.

"Toe" is the last of the three main alignment angles. That's a story for another day. Tire wear can be summed up in camber wear is always a factor on that one tire, although it can be out of adjustment on both wheels. If camber is only wrong on the left wheel, you'll have excessive edge wear on just that one tire. Toe wear always affects both tires equally, even when just one is misadjusted. Toe is the direction the tires are steering when turned straight ahead. If both wheels are out of adjustment equally, you can still have a straight steering wheel, but real bad tire wear. If only one wheel is misadjusted, the steering wheel will be off-center, along with tire wear on both tires.

I'd be happy to type up a lot more on toe, but I'll need another night or two.
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