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P0018 and P0019 after work done

Tiny
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Hello all, first time poster, thanks for listening.

I bought the vehicle listed above and it ran fine after a new battery was installed. I had some codes and work needed to the engine and suspension systems. On the engine work side I replaced all 6 spark plugs, replaced the rear valve cover and both valve cover gaskets. I replaced all 4 CMP sensors and the CKP sensor. I replaced all 6 spark plug tube seals due to oil in the tubes. I replaced the power steering pump. Now the engine will barely start and when it does it won't stay running and runs very rough. At one point it was exhausting out of the intake so it certainly has some valve/timing issue. I finally got the engine to run long enough to set codes to point me in the right direction, P0018 and P0019. I have checked the wiring for these 2 CMP sensors and the CKP sensor. The resistance was 35 and 55 respectively on all 3 pins of the CMP sensor 1 bank 2 and sensor 2 bank 2. That seemed high so I checked the voltage drop from the ECM and it was 4.8V same as the bank 1 sensors. Also noteworthy those resistance values were consistent on all 3 pins of each sensor respectively meaning I doubt it's wiring damage in the harness nor connector. I am stuck not knowing what to try next, I am considering opening up the valve covers again to take a look inside. Again, this engine ran before I did the above repairs and now it doesn't. Any help or advice is welcome. I have the service procedure for P0018 and P0019 already. I changed the oil and verified that the level is still good. The only thing I haven't checked is the CMP actuator sensors in that area.

Sorry for the formatting, the box to fill out the post is very small and hard to work with.

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Tiny
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

Based on what you did, this doesn't make sense. It sounds like it is a timing issue as you mentioned, but you did nothing to the timing. At this point, we have two choices, and these are based on everything you described. Either the compression needs tested to help confirm that it isn't a timing issue or you need to expose the timing chain and check. My manual indicates to confirm timing, it is necessary to follow the left side timing chain replacement. procedure. I'm not sure which you want to do, so I will provide directions for the chain. Also, I will provide a link for compression.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

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Here are the directions for the left cam chain. The attached pictures correlate with the directions.

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2009 Saturn Truck Outlook FWD V6-3.6L
Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Replacement - Left
Vehicle Engine, Cooling and Exhaust Engine Timing Components Timing Chain Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Replacement - Left
SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - LEFT
SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - LEFT

Removal Procedure
1. Remove the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

2. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 16. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal - Right Side

3. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 17. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Right Side

4. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 18. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Right Side

5. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 19. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal - Right Side

6. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 20. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Tensioner Removal

7. Remove the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 21. Primary Timing Chain Guide Removal - Upper

8. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 23. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Removal

9. Remove the right bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 24. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Removal - Right Side

10. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 25. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal - Left Side

11. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 26. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Left Side

12. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 27. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Left Side

13. Remove the left bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 29. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Removal - Left Side

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14. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 28. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal - Left Side

15. Clean and inspect all of the camshaft timing drive components. Replace components as necessary. See: Engine > Overhaul > 67. Camshaft Timing Chain and Sprocket Cleaning and Inspection

Installation Procedure

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1. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 113. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation - Left Side

2. Install the left bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 112. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Installation - Left Side

3. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 114. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Left Side

4. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 115. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Left Side

5. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 116. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation - Left Side

6. Install the right bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 117. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Installation - Right Side

7. Install the primary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 118. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Installation

8. Install the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 120. Primary Timing Chain Guide Installation - Upper

9. Install the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 121. Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Tensioner Installation

10. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 122. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation - Right Side

11. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 123. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Right Side

12. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 124. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Right Side

13. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 125. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation - Right Side

14. Install the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

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I would go with the compression test, but that's your call. Regardless, let me know what you find.

Joe
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Monday, October 21st, 2019 AT 8:32 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I agree based on what I’ve done the symptoms make no sense at all. I know there are recalls on this model for timing chain issues but they were performed on this vehicle before I bought it. Also to occur coincidentally during my work seems almost impossible. I’ll consider the options. I may start with removing the front valve cover and inspecting the timing chain from there before moving on. If you think of anything else let me know.

Could incorrectly connecting my ignition coils do something like this? I didn’t make the coil packs nor the wiring connections.
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 2:52 PM
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Also could bad valve cover gasket seating cause this kind of issue. It’s these kinds of mistakes in reassembly that I’m hoping to find.
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 2:55 PM
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Any idea if replacement is possible with engine installed? I desperately want to avoid pulling the engine out.
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 6:07 PM
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Welcome back:

I totally understand. I wouldn't want to pull it out either. You know, if the coils are wired wrong, that would make more sense than the timing since nothing was touched.

I attached two pictures below. One is bank 1 and the other bank 2. What you will have to do is one at a time, check that the correct wiring is going to each coil. I highlighted the wires that will be different and specific to each cylinder.

Check that and let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 8:32 PM
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Thanks Joe. I had a friend come look at it with me tonight. He found that there is extreme air pressure blowing out of the hose that hooks back into my air intake. Vapor return line, I sure what to call it. He, without knowing your response, thought it was a cracked piston or more likely a timing chain issue. He also suggested first step, check compression, second step timing belt. So I’m going to start easiest and work up. First I’ll check wiring of coils, then check compression, lastly will attempt the timing belt change.

Do you know if it can be done in vehicle? I assume so and some videos show it can be but it’s very difficult.

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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 8:47 PM
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Welcome back:

The chain can be done in vehicle. It's tight, but if you get things out of the way, it can work. I have no idea why you are getting a lot of pressure. Usually blow-by is caused by excessive ring / cylinder wear. I suspect you are referring to the PCV. See pictures below.

After you check things out, if you decide you are replacing the chains, let me know. Setting the VVT is a bit tricky. I attached a picture below. You'll see there are three chains. If you need directions, let me know if you need them all or just a specific one.

Take care and let me know what you find.

Joe
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 9:10 PM
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Correct it’s the PCV with a ton of blow back. I’ll be checking compression and coil wiring soon. The timing chain (if suspicions are confirmed) may have to wait, or go to my fathers garage as I have no garage and live in the Midwest (getting very cold).

Thanks so much for the great input. If I find good compression does that mean there isn’t excessive ring/cylinder wear? I assume good compression and my symptoms means I jumped timing and the blow back is because combustion is occurring at the wrong time.
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Wednesday, October 23rd, 2019 AT 6:44 PM
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Welcome back:

If there is good compression, the rings and timing are good.

Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Wednesday, October 23rd, 2019 AT 8:56 PM
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I’ve been sick for a bit but got back to work today. I found that the front bank (left) all have 30psi compression while the back (right) are all 125psi. To me this confirms I jumped the left timing chain and need to replace it. I have the parts in hand but the labor is going to take me a long time alone with no garage in the mid west.

Let me know if you agree with my direction based on this information. Thanks.
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Friday, November 1st, 2019 AT 5:15 PM
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Welcome back:

Ugh! That isn't good news. Now for the next concern. This is an interference engine. Before you actually take it apart, check timing to confirm it's off. If it is, we may have additional problems.

If it is off, we have two choices. First, replace the chain and see if you have compression, or pull the valve cover and confirm valves are fully opening and closing. If it only a slight bit off, you may be safe. I'm just hoping you didn't bend any valves.

Let me know what you find or if you need additional information. I will watch for your reply. If you get that change, let me know what you find.

Joe
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Friday, November 1st, 2019 AT 10:00 PM
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Just thinking out loud; wouldn’t it be very rare for it to be bent valves or anything like that given all three cylinders measure the same compression value? Doesn’t each cylinder have it on compression meaning if timing is off then there would be no compression in all three but likely the valves and pistons and rings are fine just out of phase right? Please help educate me as I begin doing the timing chain replacement. I bought the full kit with all of the tensioners chains sprockets etc.
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Saturday, November 2nd, 2019 AT 3:42 PM
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Also you mentioned before taking it apart check timing. How can I check timing before doing that? Any guidance would be wonderful before I begin. Thanks
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Saturday, November 2nd, 2019 AT 3:42 PM
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Welcome back:

Okay, the one side has 30 psi. Now you made a good point. If a valve is bent and stuck open, you would have no compression. So, I suspect it is off time but not enough to bend anything. The 30 psi may be an indicator that the valves are not closing early enough or opening too soon. Thus, it can't build compression.

To check timing before you remove the chains, you will have to see if all the marks align, which may require several crankshaft rotations to happen. I am going to provide the directions for replacing the primary and secondary chains. Just fyi, this isn't going to be the easiest thing you have ever done. In fact, it can be frustrating.

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Here are the directions. I will break them down this way: Primary, Secondary Left, and Secondary Right. All attached pictures will correlate with the directions. Note: The secondary left must be installed before the right side.

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2007 Saturn Truck Outlook V6-3.6L
Primary Camshaft Drive Chain and Sprockets Replacement
Vehicle Engine, Cooling and Exhaust Engine Timing Components Timing Chain Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Primary Camshaft Drive Chain and Sprockets Replacement
PRIMARY CAMSHAFT DRIVE CHAIN AND SPROCKETS REPLACEMENT
PRIMARY CAMSHAFT DRIVE CHAIN AND SPROCKETS REPLACEMENT

Tools Required: EN 46111 Crankshaft Rotation Socket

Removal Procedure
1. Remove the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

2. Remove the spark plugs in order to ease crankshaft/engine rotation. See: Spark Plug > Removal and Replacement

3. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 16. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal - Right Side

4. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 17. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Right Side

5. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 18. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Right Side

6. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 19. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal - Right Side

7. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 20. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal

8. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain upper guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 21. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Upper

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9. Remove the primary camshaft timing chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 23. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal

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10. Remove the crankshaft sprocket from the nose of the crankshaft.

Installation Procedure
1. Ensure the secondary timing chain is in the stage 1 timing position. See: Timing Component Alignment Marks > Components

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2. Ensure the crankshaft sprocket is installed with the timing mark (1) visible.

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3. Install the crankshaft sprocket on to the nose of the crankshaft.

4. Align the notch in the crankshaft sprocket with the pin in the crankshaft.

5. Slide the crankshaft sprocket on the crankshaft nose until the crankshaft sprocket contacts the step in the crankshaft.

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6. Ensure the crankshaft is in the stage one timing position with the crankshaft sprocket timing mark (1) aligned to the stage one timing mark on the oil pump cover (2) using the EN 46111. See: Timing Component Alignment Marks > Components

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7. Install the primary camshaft timing chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 114. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation

8. Install the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 116. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Upper

9. Install the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 117. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation

10. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 118. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation - Right Side

11. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 119. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Right Side

12. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 120. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Right Side

13. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 121. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation - Right Side

14. Install the spark plugs. See: Spark Plug > Removal and Replacement

15. Install the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

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Secondary Left

Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Replacement - Left
Vehicle Engine, Cooling and Exhaust Engine Timing Components Timing Chain Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Replacement - Left
SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - LEFT
SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - LEFT

Removal Procedure
1. Remove the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

2. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 16. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal - Right Side

3. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 17. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Right Side

4. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 18. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Right Side

5. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 19. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal - Right Side

6. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 20. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal

7. Remove the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 21. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Upper

8. Remove the primary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 23. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal

9. Remove the right bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 24. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Removal - Right Side

10. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 25. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal - Left Side

11. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 26. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Left Side

12. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 27. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Left Side

13. Remove the left bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 29. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Removal - Left Side

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14. Remove the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 28. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal - Left Side

15. Clean and inspect all of the camshaft timing drive components. Replace components as necessary. See: Engine > Overhaul > 64. Camshaft Timing Drive Components Cleaning and Inspection

Installation Procedure

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1. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 109. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation - Left Side

2. Install the left bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 108. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Installation - Left Side

3. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 110. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Left Side

4. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 111. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Left Side

5. Install the left bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 112. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation - Left Side

6. Install the right bank camshaft intermediate drive chain idler. See: Engine > Overhaul > 113. Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Idler Installation - Right Side

7. Install the primary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 114. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation

8. Install the primary upper camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 116. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Upper

9. Install the primary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 117. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation

10. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 118. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation - Right Side

11. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 119. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Right Side

12. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 120. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Right Side

13. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 121. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation - Right Side

14. Install the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

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Secondary Right

2007 Saturn Truck Outlook V6-3.6L
Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Replacement - Right
Vehicle Engine, Cooling and Exhaust Engine Timing Components Timing Chain Service and Repair Removal and Replacement Secondary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Replacement - Right
SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - RIGHT
SECONDARY CAMSHAFT INTERMEDIATE DRIVE CHAIN REPLACEMENT - RIGHT SIDE

Removal Procedure
1. Remove the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

2. Remove the spark plugs in order to ease crankshaft/engine rotation. See: Spark Plug > Removal and Replacement

3. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 16. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Removal - Right Side

4. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 17. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Removal - Right Side

5. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 18. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Removal - Right Side

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6. Remove the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 19. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Removal - Right Side

Installation Procedure

1. Ensure the stage 1 camshaft timing is correct. See: Timing Component Alignment Marks > Components

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2. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain. See: Engine > Overhaul > 118. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Installation - Right Side

3. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain guide. See: Engine > Overhaul > 119. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Guide Installation - Right Side

4. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain shoe. See: Engine > Overhaul > 120. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Shoe Installation - Right Side

5. Install the right bank secondary camshaft drive chain tensioner. See: Engine > Overhaul > 121. Secondary Camshaft Drive Chain Tensioner Installation - Right Side

6. Install the spark plugs. See: Spark Plug > Removal and Replacement

7. Install the engine front cover. See: Timing Cover > Removal and Replacement > Engine Front Cover Replacement

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Here is timing mark information.

STAGE ONE

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1. Left Intake Camshaft Position Actuator Timing Mark - Circle
2. Left Intake Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link
3. Left Exhaust Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link
4. Left Exhaust Camshaft Position Actuator Timing Mark - Circle
5. Left Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain
6. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Timing Link for the Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
7. Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket Timing Mark for the Primary Camshaft Drive Chain
8. Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
9. Left Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link for the Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket, behind hole in sprocket
10. Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket Timing Window for the Left Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link
11. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain
12. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Timing Link for the Crankshaft Sprocket
13. Crankshaft Sprocket Timing Mark
14. Crankshaft Sprocket
15. Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
16. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Timing Link for the Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
17. Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket Timing Mark

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1. Left Intake Camshaft Position Actuator Timing Mark - Circle
2. Left Intake Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link
3. Left Exhaust Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link
4. Left Exhaust Camshaft Position Actuator Timing Mark - Circle
5. Left Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain
6. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Timing Link for the Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
7. Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket Timing Mark for the Primary Camshaft Drive Chain
8. Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
9. Left Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link for the Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket, behind hole in sprocket
10. Left Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket Timing Window
11. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain
12. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Timing Link for the Crankshaft Sprocket
13. Crankshaft Sprocket Timing Mark
14. Crankshaft Sprocket
15. Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
16. Primary Camshaft Drive Chain Timing Link for the Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
17. Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket Timing Mark for the Primary Camshaft Drive Chain
18. Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket Timing Mark/Window for the Right Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain
19. Right Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link for the Right Primary Camshaft Intermediate Drive Chain Sprocket
20. Right Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain
21. Right Exhaust Camshaft Position Actuator Timing Mark - Triangle
22. Right Exhaust Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link
23. Right Intake Secondary Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Timing Link
24. Right Intake Camshaft Position Actuator Timing Mark - Triangle

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Camshaft Position Actuator Timing Marks
CAMSHAFT POSITION ACTUATOR TIMING MARKS

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1. Right Intake Camshaft Position Actuator Identifier
2. Right Intake Camshaft Position Actuator Right Side Timing Mark - Triangle
3. Left Intake Camshaft Position Actuator Left Side Timing Mark - Circle
4. Left Intake Camshaft Position Actuator Identifier
5. Exhaust Camshaft Position Actuator Identifier
6. Exhaust Camshaft Position Actuator Right Side Timing Mark - Triangle
7. Exhaust Camshaft Position Actuator Left Side Timing Mark - Circle

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Let me know if this helps.

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So I got the valve covers off and the left bank timing chain is visibly loose (see picture and video attempted attachments). The interesting part from my OP is when I replaced the valve cover gaskets last month I made note of the timing chains both being nice and tight with no apparent issues from the top. I’m curious how after that repair on seemingly the first crank it could go so south. Is there something I should be worried I damaged in the first repair? Anything I should keep my eye out for as I get the timing cover off?
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Sunday, November 3rd, 2019 AT 11:00 AM
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Welcome back:

That is extremely loose. Wow! I can honestly say that I can't think of anything you would have done by removing the valve cover. The cover you replaced has nothing directly associated with the chain.

The tensioner is hydraulically actuated. If there is an oil pressure issue, I guess it could have failed, but unlikely.

I attached a picture of the tensioner shoe and tensioner. It's well below where you would have been working. I can't see what you could have done to cause this.

Let me know if I can help.

Take care,
Joe
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Sunday, November 3rd, 2019 AT 5:50 PM
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Thanks Joe. I made great progress today. Almost have the engine cover off. Struggling with the engine pulley (main output?) And the water pump pulley. Any advice welcome. Also, the pulley just forward (so to front of car in my model, just further left of engine orientation) of the belt tensioner arm is impossible to remove in my model. What I mean to say is the bolt is too long and contacts the body before fully out. I looked up the service instructions and it says “No instructions for this model” when I click the hyperlink for that step. In stumped. May have to get creative with a dremel tool.
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Sunday, November 3rd, 2019 AT 6:05 PM
Tiny
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So the service instructions for the Crankshaft Balancer removal include a EN 46106 special tool installed where the starter is, I don't have an air impact gun, any advice? Also is it reverse thread or normal?

Secondly the Water Pump Pulley removal references a special tool EN 46104. Any clue how I can do this without this tool or where I can borrow one from? I'm stumped.
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Monday, November 4th, 2019 AT 2:13 PM
Tiny
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Both tools are designed to retain a component so you can loosen a bolt. The first one which goes where the starter is located basically prevents the flywheel from turning. If you have no air impact, to get the bolt loosened, get a good 6 point socket and put a breaker bar on it. Smack it with a hammer a few times and it should break loose. At that point, you should be able to remove it. The next problem will be tightening everything.

As far as the bolt, it is a standard left handed thread. Counterclockwise to remove it. Also, often times you can rent the correct tools from a parts store.

Let me know if that helps.

Take care,
Joe
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Monday, November 4th, 2019 AT 8:47 PM

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