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Tiny
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  • 1996 DODGE RAM
  • 5.1L
  • V8
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 90,000 MILES
I can't figure out if it's a fuse or what's going on. What fuse powers the OBD?
Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 AT 11:32 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

There is a fuse for the data link connector, fuse 17. I attached a pic below of the wiring schematic related to the DLC. Pin 16 at the connector (pic 3) shows the pinout of the connector.

Check to see if there is power to pin 16 first. If there isn't, then check the fuse.

As far as the no spark, in most cases, it is caused by a faulty crankshaft position sensor. Take a look through this link and let me know if it mirrors what you experience:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-crankshaft-sensor

Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe

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Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 AT 7:25 PM
Tiny
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Thanks, I had already figured out fuse 17 was bad so the OBD is working but it's not throwing any codes at all. When I go to live data it is showing RPMs sometimes.
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Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 AT 7:31 PM
Tiny
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Replace the crankshaft position sensor. If you don't have a solid RPM signal, that is the likely cause.

If you look at the pics below, they provide the location and directions for replacement. When removing it, soak it down with penetrating fluid first. Allow it to sit for a bit and then be careful not to break it off when removing it.

Let me know if this takes care of the problem.

Take care,

Joe

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Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 AT 8:04 PM
Tiny
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Thanks, I'll do that though I just had a shoulder replacement I'm not sure I can get in there. Is it possible there is a fuse involved or relay involved that might be easier to check? The whole drivetrain is in a 1947 DeSoto now but everything is there, and it's been good for 14 years started one day went to started two days later didn't do it. The horn is not working, the indicators are not working, and they always did. Is it a way I pay you for this help once we get things done?
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 8:34 AM
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Wow! That is really nice. And, no to the payment. We're glad to help when we can.

Is the wiring for the horn and signals the same as the truck as well?

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:00 PM
Tiny
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Complete wiring harness came over from the truck some things are not being used like the HVAC the gauges and other assorted door lights and things. But headlights blinkers flashers and horn have always worked. I've had the car for 14 years I've never driven it much just around the block in and out of the garage and the thing. All the work was done by a professional mechanic friend of mine who did everything right at the time I believe.
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:05 PM
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I'm confused by the OBD2 will throw no codes at all if it doesn't start.
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:05 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If the crankshaft position sensor is bad, it may or may not set a code. A crankshaft position sensor's function is related to engine speed. As a result, failure may not trigger the Check Engine Light. This is because there are some things that can stop the crankshaft position sensor's signal that will have nothing to do with the sensor going bad such as running out of gas.

I hope that makes sense. As far as the horn and flashers are concerned, I attached two pics below showing the power supply (fuse). One is under the hood, and one is in the vehicle.

I circled the clock spring. If that failed it can be causing issues with the horn/signals, but the airbag light should also be on. Let me know.

Take care,

Joe

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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:41 PM
Tiny
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Thanks again for your help.
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:51 PM
Tiny
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You are very welcome. Let me know how things turn out for you.

Take care,

Joe
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 12:25 PM
Tiny
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I just got to ignite for a couple of seconds don't know if that tells me anything.
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 12:28 PM
Tiny
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Rich,

That goes back to the crankshaft position sensor not giving a solid signal. That is my first suspect. I've been wrong in the past and will again, but that is what I would replace.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 1:15 PM
Tiny
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Thanks. I'll see if I can do it with my bum arm I appreciate it.
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 1:46 PM
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Let me know what I can do to help. Take care and don't jeopardize your arm. The sensor is in somewhat of a difficult location, and with the upgrade to the new (old) body, it may be really difficult.

Take care of yourself. If you have a chance, stay in touch and let me know if that takes care of the issue.

Joe
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 8:05 PM
Tiny
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Okay.
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 9:53 PM
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Turned out to be one of the relays in the power control box in the engine compartment. That was easy. Thanks for your help.
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Friday, April 8th, 2022 AT 10:53 AM
Tiny
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Good job. I'm glad to see you fixed it. However, the arm pic looks a bit painful. Good Lord that looks like it would hurt!

Regardless, please feel free to come back anytime in the future. You are always welcome here.

Take good care of yourself and that shoulder.

Joe
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Friday, April 8th, 2022 AT 6:26 PM

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