Negative battery cable hot/car not starting?

Tiny
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I bought this car as is. When I checked it the battery was dead, so we jumped it to see if it would run and it ran smoothly. Towed it home, put a jumper box on it and it would act if the starter were bad, clicks hard as trying to rotate the motor but the lights on dash flicker and sometimes the connection is lost and then back on. I put a new battery on, negative cable post is broken into half, but I can still place it on the battery post and tighten it a bit, but I noticed while starting it would get hot and get sparky and a very small amount of smoke, so I removed it. Not sure if these cables can go bad as they attach to the transmission as ground don't they? How can I test the cable for issues before removing the starter as a suspect?
Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 8:39 AM

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Tiny
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Hello, the battery cables need to be tight and secure. If the cable is getting hot and smoking, there is too much resistance, most likely between the battery post and negative cable itself. The proper way to check the connection is to check for voltage drop from the negative battery post to the engine block with the key on, and engine running for a minute if it will start, if not, then just key On, and turn the headlights on as well to load the electrical system some. set your multimeter to DC volts and make sure the meter lead is on the battery post, not the cable, you need to see the voltage drop that's occurring between the battery post and cable and put the other meter lead touching the engine block. So, it's a ground side voltage drop test. If the cable end is broken, it needs to be replaced. A bad ground like that can damage other components. The starter is clicking because there isn't enough current flow due to the high resistance at the broken negative cable end. Can you take a picture of the negative cable so we can see what the broken end looks like?
The starter motor pulls hundreds of amps, that's why the cable is getting hot.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 2:03 PM
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You want the voltage drop from battery negative to the engine block to be close to 0volts, Check from battery negative to the vehicles body(chassis) as well.
You can do the same test on the positive side as well, from battery + to the positive wire on the Starter motor. Point to point testing, should read close to 0volts as well.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 2:09 PM
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Removed the cable and ordered another one. Removed the belt in case sometimes it seized but motor only turns about 2 inches back or forth. Hopefully didn't seize which would make no sense, as car was only driven a minute and has oil and coolant and just died while driving cause of the issue. I have a new battery as well. Even with the wire removed now I connected a jump box and it also sparks more than it should when I attach the ground to body.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 2:10 PM
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Well, wait until you get the new cable on there before you go hooking up any jump boxes or anything, Try turning the engine over by hand if you suspect a mechanical issue. Just use a socket on the crankshaft pulley and a large bar, you should be able to turn it over. You'll be pushing against the compression of the cylinders, so it will be a little tough, but it should rotate, you can also pull the spark plugs and then it will turn over by hand really easy.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 2:14 PM
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I didn't push too hard while turning but ill remove plugs and try as well.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 2:20 PM
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Leave that jumper box off until you get the battery cables all sorted out. With the negative cable off you don't have a complete circuit right now.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 2:31 PM
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Plugs out, same results. Ugh. I am removing the starter to see if it will move. Until I get the cable.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 4:28 PM
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You're not able to turn the engine over by hand?
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 5:50 PM
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No, only 2 -4 inches only then I feel resistance.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 5:51 PM
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That's not good, are you thinking the starter gear may be engaged into the flex plate? And I assume it didn't start at all after the new battery was installed and the cable was overheating?
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:00 PM
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No didn't start at all since it shut off with old or new battery.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:01 PM
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Something electric is also happening, hoping the starter is jammed out yes.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:02 PM
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You might try taking off the main drive belt as well and see if it will turn over, just to be sure it's not a seized-up alternator or ac compressor. Thats easier than pulling the starter first, just to verify it's not something else. I'm wondering if this has some sort of vacuum pump or high-pressure fuel pump that's driven by a camshaft, when those seize up, it can cause issues like this as well, I'm just looking at some diagrams of the engine here. Do you see steel fuel lines going to the fuel injectors?
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:10 PM
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I already removed the belt before turning it. Well, to I know it has a hpfp, not sure about vac pump. Actually, it did have codes for the fuel system it would run and shuts off. Hmm, that's interesting. I'll look at steel lines.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:12 PM
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Fuel pump.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:16 PM
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The problem with the high-pressure fuel pump is its mechanically driven by the cam, and when they fail, there ends up being metal shavings stuck in the fuel rail and into the fuel injectors. It can be a real mess. You have to release the high-pressure fuel in the rail before taking any of the steel lines apart, and they are usually a one-time use. The high-pressure pump can run 500 to 2000 psi, so you can't just unbolt the lines to it. I would hook up a scan tool and see what the fuel rail pressure sensor is reading for pressure once you get the battery cable fixed. Do you remember what the codes were?
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:22 PM
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P2015, p130, p135, but I saw something about fuel codes. I removed these pumps before, so I am familiar with them and with the cam lobe inside them. Think I should try and release it, and see?
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:25 PM
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Well it's difficult to say what happened at this point, you did have it running, and the HP pump has to be reinstalled at a certain position and service info here at a quick run through is stating the crank needs to be rotated until the cam follower is at its lowest point, And then install the cam follower into the vacuum pump and then the high pressure pump into the vacuum pump. So, this is no easy task to take apart, just to verify the engine will rotate.
I'd say pulling the starter is the easier thing to do, I take it this was an auction vehicle.
This looks like a serious job to replace this pump, some of this service info is talking about removing and installing a camshaft adjustment valve, there's pages here for just the HP pump. This requires special tools listed here as well.
I do hope you find the starter jammed up into the flex plate, when you get the battery cable hooked up, go in and check the live engine data PIDs and see if there's any fuel pressure reading. I'm trying to find some info on the starter location, there's quite a few design variations listed. ( 2.0L FSI manual, TFSI manual, TDI manual trans, ) Those are the 2.0liter listings.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:46 PM
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The P0130 and P0135 are the B1S1 oxygen sensor (circuit) and (heater) faults, the other code is the intake manifold runner position circuit perform.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:49 PM
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Looks like the Starter is under the air filter housing.
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 AT 6:51 PM

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