Engine misses when hot

Tiny
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Okay, was able to remove the head without taking off the timing chain cover. Made some space with loose bolts and was able to get the one stupid chain guide bolt out but left in place. Head was quite warped in the center which matches the 2 and 3 missing problem. Head is back on somewhat, was able to get the guide bolt back in. Waiting for some head bolt washers as I misplaced 2 (more rookie stuff). I did tie the timing chain up to hopefully keep it in place and I sealed the timing chain cover where it separated. So if the timing links up above match the picture I took before removing the cams and I do not have an oil leak, I will be the luckiest rookie alive. Russ.
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Thursday, May 20th, 2021 AT 10:11 AM
Tiny
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Russ,

Make sure the timing is correct. I don't believe any Toyota 4 cylinder engine is an interference engine. However, turn the engine by hand when you have the chain on it. Make sure the crank makes several full revolutions. If you feel anything binding (and I don't think you will) do not force it.

I attached the directions for the total replacement of the chains. They show how everything aligns. I'm adding these so you have them in the event they are needed.

Starting with pic 30, the directions for head replacement are included. These directions include the torque specs and tightening sequence when torquing the cylinder head. Make sure to follow both.

Let me know how you make out of if you need help.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.
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Thursday, May 20th, 2021 AT 7:01 PM
Tiny
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Joe, I did continue to rotate the engine until the links lined up properly with the cam marks. Piston 1 is up and both cam knobs, intake and exhaust, should be pointing out horizontally when I put the cams back in. I was planning on manually rotating the engine several revolutions just to make sure there was no issues. Thanks for all the detail above. Hope I do not have to take the timing cover off. Russ.
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Friday, May 21st, 2021 AT 4:58 AM
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Russ,

No problem. I wanted to add the directions in the event you needed them. If you have a chance, let me know how things turn out for you or if I can be of any help.

Take care and have a good weekend.

Joe
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Friday, May 21st, 2021 AT 7:10 PM
Tiny
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Joe, timing chain remained in the same position as when I took it off. Manually turned over the engine, no problems. Have a few other items before I can give it a try. Will let you know. Thanks and have a great weekend. Russ.
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 5:02 AM
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Success, so far. The engine idles nicely when warm, no white exhaust smoke. Not driven yet so well not know about an oil leak until I put some miles on it but very happy with the result so far. Have a battery light and the alternator is only putting out 13.45, so that is most likely the problem and need to reset the engine light or chase another problem. Cars, just love them. Russ.
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Monday, May 24th, 2021 AT 5:06 AM
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Russ, the 13.45 with the engine running and loaded is good as far as alt output. Are you checking it at the battery? Even if the electrical system isn't fully loaded, that is still a good voltage. Make sure nothing around the alt has been damaged or left unplugged.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-alternator

Regardless, I'm glad to hear it's running. And I couldn't agree more. Cars can cause a lot of headaches. LOL

Take care and let me know how things turn out for you.

Joe
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Monday, May 24th, 2021 AT 7:53 PM
Tiny
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Joe, the 13.45 was not loaded. The battery tested okay. Changed out the alternator and the battery light went out right away. BTW, had read somewhere on the net that the unloaded voltage should be 14V or above. I am not sure where the trip voltage is for a 2009 Camry but there is probably a spec someplace that states that voltage in the control unit docs. I will measure the voltage of the remanufactured alternator and let you know. Just curious myself. Very much appreciate your support and very much enjoy the dialogue. Thanks, Russ.
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Tuesday, May 25th, 2021 AT 5:34 AM
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Russ,

You are very welcome. I really did nothing. You did the work. As far as the alternator, I'm glad the new one turned off the light.

The voltage of the old one was within the manufacturer's specifications. However, that doesn't mean something wasn't wrong internally causing the light issue.

If you look at the attached pic, it shows the unloaded voltage range.

Take good care of yourself, and please feel free to come back anytime in the future. You're always welcome here.

Joe
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Tuesday, May 25th, 2021 AT 8:20 PM
Tiny
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Joe, given that spec, I am surprised the light was on. The old alternator was on the very low end of the range and I guess the control unit sensing may not be exactly 13.2V. Anyway, just a thought. It is my Son's car and he is driving it. He was over last night and came in for just a moment that turned into 15 minutes while the car was idling. Seemed that the engine was quite warm and one fan was kicking on intermittently. The dash temperature gauge was a little less than half towards hot. I do not want an overheat due to a faulty sensor but not sure I should be alarmed. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks, Russ.
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Wednesday, May 26th, 2021 AT 5:01 AM
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Hi,

I wouldn't be too concerned as long as the fan was coming on and the temp never reached hot. Honestly, with the fan off and the car sitting, there is no air circulation through the radiator, that's why it will increase the temp and turn on the fan. Tell him to pay attention to the temp gauge to make sure nothing else happens.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, May 26th, 2021 AT 5:22 PM
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Joe, long time no talk. Ha! So, the 2009 Camry is losing antifreeze and when my son dropped it off so I could take a look there was antifreeze along the passengers side front and down the timing chain cover of the engine. I am happy to say it is not the timing chain cover leaking. It sure looks like it could have come from the water pump but the pump is not making noise and when I try to move the pump sprocket with a crow bar there is no movement. Although, I did leave the serpentine belt on. I will take the belt off and try again. Oh, the fan is kicking on pretty regularly even when driving on a fairly low temperature day. I will wait on replacing the water pump until I hear from you. As always, really appreciate and value your input. Thanks, Russ.
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Friday, June 25th, 2021 AT 8:03 AM
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Russ,

There is a weep hole on the water pump that will leak when it starts to fail. Take a look through this link. The second pic in the link shows what I am talking about.

Let me know if that is where it is leaking.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-water-pump

Joe
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Friday, June 25th, 2021 AT 7:35 PM
Tiny
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Joe, knew about the weep hole. Apparently, my son spilled some antifreeze and maybe that was what I was seeing. However, there is still a loss of antifreeze somewhere and I cannot figure it out. Anyway, I do not think it is the water pump.
Thanks again for the quick response and help. Russ.
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Saturday, June 26th, 2021 AT 5:54 AM
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Hi Russ, you are very welcome.

Listen, try pressure testing the system. If there is a leak, it may show up. Here is a link showing how it's done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/radiator-pressure-test

Most parts stores will lend you the pressure tester. Also, do the basics. Is there any evidence of coolant mixing with the oil? Is there any white smoke from the exhaust?

Let me know what I can do to help.

Take care,

Joe
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Saturday, June 26th, 2021 AT 8:16 PM
Tiny
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Joe, no coolant in the oil. No white smoke or smell of coolant in the exhaust. Have tested the coolant for CO2, negative. The pressure test is a great idea. Knew of it but did not think of it. Will let you know the outcome. Thanks! Russ.
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Sunday, June 27th, 2021 AT 5:11 AM
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You are very welcome. Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe
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Sunday, June 27th, 2021 AT 8:24 PM

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