Low but hard brake pedal

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Hi guys. I noticed a discussion on part numbers earlier. To clarify that, we always go by application. In the case of "68164594AA", that was the original design. If any change is made whether it's to those coming down the assembly line or to modules sent in to be rebuilt, it will get a new part number. It will be the same numbers, but they'll end with "AB". The next revision gets numbered "AC". In the case of car radios, the revision can be as insignificant as replacing a transistor with one that's just slightly more tolerant of heat build-up. That transistor would get replaced on every one of that model that gets sent in for repair, even though they never actually caused a failure. That's one of the advantages of getting a rebuilt electronic part vs. A good used one.

The next problem is Chrysler has always had a reputation for good parts interchangeability between models and years. In the case of sensors in particular, what they currently have for a new car model might not fit because the connector will bump into something. That connector will be redesigned, but then it gets an entirely new part number. This was the case with oil filters in the early '70s. You could use the standard long one or the new shorter one on any engine, but the mounting flange was angled rearward on the Darts because of the smaller engine bay. The longer filter rubbed against the firewall when it was unscrewed. This was another example of what worked for the application wasn't necessarily the part number listed.

The same is true for computer modules. Ford is famous for making major mid-model-year changes, and you have to supply the build date when ordering parts. Chrysler makes mid-year changes too, but while some parts warrant new part numbers, they all still work on all cars from that model year. Up to the mid '90s, if they found a problem that needed to be fixed, the only way to do that was to replace the computer. Typically that involved a recall after they found some unusual event that resulted in emissions exceeding mandated levels.
The dealers were supplied with the new computers with their new part numbers. If you found an older one in a salvage yard, it would still work in that application. That's why we say to go by the application, not the part number. Starting in the mid '90s, even as early as 1993 in the case of my Dynasty, updates and recalls were handled by installing updated software rather than replacing the entire computer. I've noticed on GMs and Fords, when that is done, the mechanic puts a sticker under the hood referring to a "campaign" that was performed, meaning a recall. Chrysler supplies a replacement sticker to put on the computer. It has the new part number on it. Here again, different number, same application.

I suspect no one ever produced a cross reference chart because as far as the engineers and the lawyers are concerned, a computer with the old part number can't be used to replace one with a newer number. While it will function perfectly fine, we don't usually get to know why they don't want it in there. It could be some rarely-used function might not work correctly when it's really hot outside or really cold. It could be tail pipe emissions are too high when accelerating up a steep hill before the engine is fully warmed up. It could even be the air bags don't deploy if the crash is at a certain angle. With any corrections like those, the computer gets a new part number. If it's just a minor revision, as in the case of my Dynasty, to address any of ten common complaints of transmission shift quality, that doesn't even warrant a change in the part number. If a rebuilder changes a part for improved reliability, that would get the next higher letter in the suffix, but the original number would be the same.

Since you're looking at used computers, I have to add one more comment of value. This might not apply to a car as new as a 2013 model, but it's worth mentioning anyway. If your car has the factory-installed anti-theft system, you can use any used Engine Computer or Body Computer from any similar donor car. The anti-theft programming lives in those two computers. If the used computer you install doesn't have that programming, it is actually in there, but it hasn't been activated. That will be done by the other computer as soon as you turn on the ignition switch. At that point, that activated anti-theft programming can not be undone. If you take that replacement computer back out and put it in the donor car it came from, it is going to teach that programming to that car's other computer. At that point you'll have a crank / no-start because both computers are waiting for the "disarm" signal that's never coming. Now the only way to solve that car's no-start is to replace both computers at the same time with two that never had the anti-theft programming activated. We usually don't know that with cars in a salvage yard. The only way to know for sure is to buy two rebuilt computers from the dealer. They always come with the anti-theft programming not activated.

By 2013, most models included a factory anti-theft system. This warning applies to models as far back as some '92 models.
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Thursday, March 25th, 2021 AT 8:22 PM
Tiny
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Hey CARADIODOC,

I did take a good look at that part number also. Was a lower number and letter combination that is on my 2013. I did some looking both on the internet (mopar. Com) and with my local dealer. Joey the parts lady is super.
For whatever reason 68164594AA was listed. Forget eBay some listed relevant part numbers while others listed numbers in a different format that I have never seen. They. Did include an application reference on their individual pages. Seemed to accurate but the devil is in the details.

I even called Cardone. They did not want to talk to me and referred me to local dealers. However they were kind enough to try to find me parts numbers. No cross reference.
UPDATE what has worked for me is a quality auto salvage. Donawitz Auto Parts in my case. 1800-248-1032. They were able to check compatibility The HCU and ABS Module are listed separately. The ABS module has a different compatibility than the the HCU. The ABS Module was compatible from 2012 up while the HCU started at 2010.
I complete unit off a 2013. Lucked out had the exact part number as my original.
Looked into having to have the ABS Module reprogrammed. Found out if I use my current ABS Module with the newly purchased HCU reprogramming is not necessary.
Problem replacing the solenoid valve seals and o ring is easy if you can find them. Found 6 out of 12 needed local. Luckily dodge has 8 in their warehouse. $3 a pop and $5 for the o ring. Be here tomorrow.

CARADIODOC Enjoyed the info on part compatibility.
On a side note doing rear pads on a 2006 Civic Ebrake calipers are a little different than the Dodge hope they are less problematic than the dodge.
Thanks, you guys rock!
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Friday, March 26th, 2021 AT 7:25 AM
Tiny
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Well, the fun continues.

Installed the HCU but no improvement.
Went to install the new master only to find the reservoir would not fit.
Nobody would hire me by the hour.
Couldn’t make a living flat rate.
Be well all.
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Saturday, March 27th, 2021 AT 6:52 PM
Tiny
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Okay, checking Dorman’s site and finding a photo of my unit but fitment is for a 2014 Journey.
They do cross reference to OEM.
Dodge site shows and lists a different number.
When I searched the Dodge site for the Dorman number it brings up a match to my unit and lists it for my 2013 but no pic.
So at least I have a line on the the proper master.
I opened the 5fh quart of dot 3 for the HCU.
Might need a 6th.
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Monday, March 29th, 2021 AT 8:28 AM

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