System lean in bank 1 - P0171

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Hello my name is Warren and I drive the van listed above e150. I have been replacing MAF sensors since 2018 and my service engine soon light just keeps coming back. I have even replaced the 02 sensors a lot too. I took it to a repair shop and they told me it had a vacuum leaks but it fixed it for a while and then the light came back on once again. And the error codes it keeps coming with are po171 system lean in bank 1 and sometimes p1133 it says something like manufacturers control etc. Any ideas what the problem can be? I am in a wheelchair and I can't fix any of it myself so I am hoping it is not too hard to get someone to fix it without charging to much etc. Also, my van runs good still too. At least for the time being it does.
Tuesday, June 25th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM

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Tiny
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Hello,

In the diagrams down below I have included the factory diagnostic troubleshooting guide for Direct Trouble Code (DTC) P0171. I see no listing for DTC P1133 listed for your vehicle. If you double check the DTC number for me I will be happy to look it up for you. The guide for DTC P0171 is pretty straight forward. I would definitely check for vacuum leaks. By vacuum leaks, what I mean is any unmetered, or any air leaking into the intake air system after the Mass Air Flow sensor (MAF). A good way to do this is to get a propane torch and crack it open on the lowest setting, making sure not to light it. You just want the propane coming out of it. With the engine running, run the propane torch along the air intake duct, throttle body, intake manifold, vacuum hoses, EVAP hoses, paying special attention to Positive Crankcase Ventilation hoses, EGR inlet, and the intake manifold, both inside the valley and outside. Anywhere there is a leak when the torch passes by it the engine rpm's will pick up as the propane will get sucked into the system. This will take care of this DTC. I have also included a link below for you to go to:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Please get back to us with what you are able to find out.

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Alex
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Tuesday, June 25th, 2019 AT 8:01 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I sure will and thank you for taking the time to write me back. I will have to have another repair shop look into everything you said as to I can't get to them myself etc. Oh, I do have one my question. When someone says the 02 sensor is a upstream sensor what does that mean? And is the number one firing cylinder on the drivers side or the drivers side of the van? Just asking and I will get back with you what I find asap. Love this site!
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Tuesday, June 25th, 2019 AT 9:21 PM
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Hello Warren! I have worked at a Ford dealer for over 27 years and can tell you with confidence that the intake gaskets will need to be replaced. We usually replace the top portion because the baffles come apart inside and rattle, (it has a two piece upper intake) and replace the gaskets on the lower portion. This is the main culprit for a p0171, p0174 codes.
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Wednesday, June 26th, 2019 AT 6:33 AM
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Okay, I will have to see if I can find someone to fix this without costing too much. :-( What I don't understand is why did the check engine light stay off for a week and then come back on again? All I did was (with the van off) I disconnected the MAF and sprayed it very good with some CRC MAF cleaner and then put it back together and cleared the codes. And it stayed off for almost two weeks and then comes back on. But thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. You just don't know how much I enjoy this site.
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Wednesday, June 26th, 2019 AT 8:46 PM
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That is the nature of the beast with vacuum leaks, especially with rubber seals or hoses, the leak is never the same day to day. Keep us posted after those gaskets are replaced! This is a must if they have never been replaced! I’m glad you enjoy the site! Cheers
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Friday, June 28th, 2019 AT 7:34 PM
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Update: Well I just took it to my repair shop and I ask him how much would it cost to replace a intake the gaskets and he said "It would only cost me $450.00 to fix it ($450.00 is the cheapest place I could find to fix it too) and then he asked me is the van running good and I said so far it is. Then he said well as long as it is running good replacing the gaskets would be to much work just to take it apart and the service engine soon like still may not go off. So what should I do now? I thought he would jump at the chance to fix it for $450.00. But he said what I just told you.
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Wednesday, July 3rd, 2019 AT 12:14 PM
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Hello again,

If your vehicle is running fine, then I wouldn't mess with it. The DTC will keep your MIL or "check engine" light illuminated until it is erased from the PCM. There are to ways to do this. The first is to take your negative battery off the battery for 5 minutes or longer. This will completely erase your PCM's entire Keep Alive Memory, including all learned values and your vehicle will be starting from scratch. The second and the more highly recommended method, is to hook up a code reader to the Data Link Connector (DLC) and erase the DTC that way. Either way please keep us informed as to your vehicle's progress.

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Alex
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Wednesday, July 3rd, 2019 AT 4:04 PM
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Okay I will try that. I have a quick question though. Yesterday I came home and something caught my eye and I saw this dark line in my passenger side back fender well. Come to find out I have a wheel cylinder leak. Would this cause a service engine soon light to come on? Here is a video of it. I tried to record it the best I could.
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Wednesday, July 3rd, 2019 AT 7:21 PM
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Hello again,

It might cause the MIL to illuminate with an ABS DTC. The only way to know for sure is to get a code reader and pull the code(s). This will also allow you to erase the DTC(s) when the problem(s) are fixed. Here is a link below with how to pull the DTC(s) if you are unfamiliar with how to do this.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

Please go through this guide, if necessary, and get back to us with what you are able to find out.

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Alex
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Thursday, July 4th, 2019 AT 5:47 PM
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A wheel cylinder leak will not cause a mil light to turn on, specifically an ABS light. And clearing the code will be like brushing dirt under a rug. As the vehicle is running lean the PCM is adding fuel to compensate so your fuel economy will suffer for sure! The vehicle may run “fine”, but over time this is not good for the engine. I used to get a lot of these at my dealership because most techs don’t want to do the work. I would shop around at other shops, specifically Ford specialty shops. Not trying to step on any toes, just my opinion.
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Thursday, July 4th, 2019 AT 10:10 PM
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Oh, oh okay. I was hoping that it might but I didn't think so. Looks like I may have to find a new repair shop too. Because I have been to the same one and this problem keeps popping up. Not the wheel cylinder leak but the error codes. And I will borrow my brother's scan tool or go to AutoZone etc, and see what the error codes says. Because I erased the codes before in 2018 but they would just back again. And thank you for the scan too guide I will try that too. And thanks guys for writing me. Because there's not a good trust worthy shop in my town that is close by where I live at all. Anyway, so much for my complaining I will keep you guys updated.
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Thursday, July 4th, 2019 AT 11:21 PM
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BMDOUBLE is one of our best! Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.
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Monday, July 8th, 2019 AT 10:54 AM
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Okay, I will let you guys know for sure. (Last code scan the codes where p0171 and p0174). The p1133 doesn't even appear anymore now. Tomorrow I will get the wheel cylinder leak fixed first ($24100 plus tax) I will have to save up for the intake manifold gaskets to get repaired etc. Anyway I will keep you guys posted for sure. Oh yeah, I almost forgot to tell you guys. I tried the squirting water test around the hoses, and from what I could around the intake manifold to see if the vans idle would change any. But there where no changes at all. Anyway that is the latest.
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Monday, July 8th, 2019 AT 7:22 PM
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Please let us know what happens.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 9:41 AM
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Update: Its not about the intake manifold gaskets but it is about the wheel cylinder leak. Or so I thought it was. Turns out my axle grease is leaking out and I need a new seal. So I just wanted to post this just in case someone sees the same black oil line inside their fender well and may not know what it is. Mine turned out to be axle grease etc
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 9:42 AM
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Good deal! Thanks for the update Warren!
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 10:02 AM
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Update: Getting closer to finding out what the problem is (intake manifold gasket). Someone I know is going to loan me a smoke machine and I need to know where to connect it so I can see if the smoke will come out of the intake manifold. I connect it to the brake booster vacuum lines correct? I haven't ever use a smoke machine before so.
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Sunday, July 14th, 2019 AT 5:17 PM
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Correct, connect it to the main vacuum feed to the intake manifold which goes to the brake booster. Let us know what happens.
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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 11:31 AM
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Okay and thank you so much for taking the time to answer. I didn't mean to post the same thing again. I was trying to delete my other post but I didn't see how etc. And I sure will let you know. :-)
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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 1:52 PM
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Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 9:27 AM

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