Car dies suddenly while driving

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JESSE.WILSON
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2003 Ford Windstar 6 cyl Front Wheel Drive Automatic 90k miles

I have a 2003 Ford Windstar in which the engine dies suddenly as we are driving.

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The alternator went bad and killed the battery. I replaced both the battery and the alternator. I checked the alternator output with a voltmeter. It read 14.42V. I then drove about 20 miles and the engine died as I was driving about 30mph. I pulled over and was able to restart the engine immediately. I then drove another 2 miles and it happened again. I then drove to the local Ford dealer. They test drove it a couple of times and were not able to diagnose the problem. We picked up the car and my wife drove for about 30 miles and the problem happened again.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Jesse
Saturday, August 1st, 2009 AT 1:17 PM

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I have had the exact same issue on my 2003, but with 140,000 miles. Changed Battery, then alternator, then dying episodes. Fires right back up if you turn the key off. My dealer had it for 3 days before they could replicate. No codes, recommended changing crankshaft sensor. Did that. No change. About ready to swap out the camshft sensor ($20 part). Hooked up my buddies computer to look for codes. No codes. Ford's at a loss, so am I
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Saturday, August 8th, 2009 AT 6:57 PM
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Well, it looks like I might have finally fixed the problem. I've driven the car for 100 miles now with no engine stalls.

Details: The dealer had the car for a couple of weeks and supposedly test drove it a lot and was never able to reproduce the problem even though my wife and I experienced the problem every time we drove the car more than 10-15 miles. The one thing they were able to tell us was that the car computer reported some misfiring on several of the spark plugs even though there were no codes reported by the OBD reader. They recommended a full tune up for $330.

I replaced the coil, spark plug wires, and spark plugs for $125. I don't think there was anything wrong with the coil and wires but the spark plugs were shot. The ends were worn down and the spark plug gap was much larger than spec.

This looks like it solved my problem but I can't figure out why it would start misbehaving right after I replaced the battery and alternator. Go figure.

Hope this helps,

Jesse
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Wednesday, September 2nd, 2009 AT 8:46 AM
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Hi folks, I see this is a pretty old thread but I'll tell you what I figured out about my 03 Windstar. Might be helpful to some. I had the exact same problem described by Jessie took the vehicle to the dealer 3 different times and nothing took it to my regular mechanic several different times and nothing. I finally decided to move the wiring harness further away from the ignition module and that cured my problem and that was two hundred thousand + miles ago. And yes I still have the van now at 375000 miles. Hope this helps it fixed mine.

Hope it helps somebody

Jc
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Tuesday, December 27th, 2016 AT 6:06 PM
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Hey Jc

Great addition to the thread. Have a good new year!

Best, Ken
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Saturday, December 31st, 2016 AT 2:09 PM
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Thanks Ken, and the best New Year to you and yours.
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Saturday, December 31st, 2016 AT 5:28 PM
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Ok, I'm having a real difficult time dealing with this same issue. I'm willing to try moving the harness. Where is the ignition module located?
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 9:36 AM
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Good input everybody

Roy
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 4:12 PM
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I did notice the problem goes away when I disconnect the 3 wire connector on the alternator and drive it. Would this be affected by moving the wire harness away from the ignition module?
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 4:30 PM
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Check the voltage of the charging system while running.

You should have 14 to 14.5 DC. Then switch your scale to AC and see if you have any reading.

Roy
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM
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Checked all three wires on the connector. 14.6 vdc on furthest wire from front of van, 0 on middle and 5 vdc and 5 vac on wire closest to front of van. No ac volt reading when reading at battery.
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 4:57 PM
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There should be no AC voltage anywhere. If you read any AC voltage above.2 volts, the alternator is no good.

Roy
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 4:58 PM
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It's the second alternator I have installed in two weeks. First one was a reman and I found out people were having issue with remans. This last one is brand new (no reman) and is straight from the Ford dealer. Just put it in yesterday. If it's bad I would sure like to know what is damaging them.
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 6:04 PM
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AC voltage production comes from a bad rectifier bridge or diode trio inside the alternator itself.

Roy
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 6:07 PM
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I understand that but it doesn't describe why I would have this problem with two new alternators. That seems a little unlikely, especially with the new one from Ford.
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Sunday, February 17th, 2019 AT 6:19 PM
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I cannot answer that. I have had the same issue with Fords with AC ripple causing all kinds of issues.

You need to find one that does not have the AC ripple.

Roy
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Monday, February 18th, 2019 AT 3:30 AM
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Just to be clear on the AC voltage reading it was off the square wave to the PCM. I only monitored.052 vacuum on the battery at any given time while idling or driving.
As for the 5 volts on the wire to the PCM, the only way a square wave can be created is from ac volts. A dc voltage source can't create a square wave.
I did perform a little trouble shooting when it stalled today and found I still have spark to the plugs but no injector pulse and fuel pressure to the rail.
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Monday, February 18th, 2019 AT 4:37 PM
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Your statement.0 on middle and 5 vdc and 5 vac on wire closest to front of van. No ac volt reading when reading at battery.

That's what I went off of.

I f you have spark but no injector pulse, make sure the wiring to the PCM is correct. You may have a bad PCM.

Roy
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Monday, February 18th, 2019 AT 4:54 PM

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