Shakes or Wobbles problem
1997 Ford Windstar 6 cyl Front Wheel Drive Automatic 170000 miles
I have a 1997 For Windstar and my complaint is that I have a knocking noise coming generally from the front passenger side wheel. This is accompanied with a shudder and extreme (back and forth) play in the steering wheel. I changed both the outer tie-rods and still no help. Not sure what the problem is. There is minor play in the balljoint, but not enough to cause something this major. Any suggestions on where to look next? Changing parts out of suspision can get expensive!
Any free-play in any of the joints can cause shudder / vibration. If the wheel rotation, vehicle speed, and free-play enters the correct vibrational harmonic, it can shake as you describe. There's lots of physics to describe with rotating and moving parts. I'll leave out the details.
Ever throw a Frizbee in a less-than-perfect mannar and you see it fly through the air wobbling and veering off to the side? Same concept.
I know you specifically mentioned outer tie rods. Check for free play to the inner ones as well. Jack up the front end and try to move the wheels right to left. Have an assistant look at the rack-n-pinion for any play on the inner rods.
If there is free play in the ball joint, you're best off replacing it.
Finally, if your vibrations occur mostly during braking, your brake rotors are likely out of true. If there is enough material, get them machined. If not, replace them. Be sure to do the rotors in pairs: I've learned the hard way that just fixing one side comes back to haunt you in the future.
February, 24, 2009 AT 11:03 AM
Thanks very much for the help sir. I actually changed the fron tires yesterday and found that there was some severe belt shift, This pretty much sured up most of the pull and vibrations. However, there is still a minor vibration from the right side. I am thinking that the stress of the unequal tire had negative effects on the wheel bearing? Is this a possibility? I tired the side to side check you mentioned with the tire and witnessed the smae play in the wheel was in the brke rotor as well which is further leading me to believe it is a problem in the wheel bearing. If this is possible, I will go ahead and replace both sides.
February, 27, 2009 AT 9:08 PM
A bad wheel bearing will make a grumbling, crunchy noise at all times, depending on how bad condition it is. Bad wheel bearings can sometimes be detected by two ways: Jack the front of car up SECURELY, follow all safety stuff like jack stands, apply the emergency brake, etc. Run engine at idle and put gearshift in Drive. It's a front wheel drive, so front wheels will begin to spin. Carefully grasp coil spring with your hand. If you feel a lot of vibration, the bearing is likely damaged. Coil springs amplify the vibration, making the diagnostics easier to detect. Shut engine off. Grasp wheel from top and bottom. Try shaking it, pull and push wheel. If there is any free play, bearing is likely damaged.
It's a wheel hub bearing assembly with roller bearings. The hub bearing can be pressed out and replaced (re-use the hub). Beware though: there are two types of bearings: The cheaper ball-bearing type or roller-bearing. If you plan to keep the car, go with the more expensive roller bearing.
For example, AutoZone sells a " Valucraft #V49" ball bearing for about $20. AutoZone also sells a roller-bearing " Timken Set 49" for about $32. Do yourself a favor and get the Timken brand. The ball-bearing type simply is not as durable and you'll likely end up changing it again in the near future.
Wheel bearings take a lot of abuse, so unless the front tire was vibrating so violently that it damaged the bearing, I would more likely suspect the problem is the tie rod.
Again, look at the wheel again with an assistant and see what part(s) are loose. You already replaced the outer tie rods, so if the inner tie rods are loose, you'll see the free-play as you push the tire from side to side. Maybe have a third assistant holding the steering wheel to eliminate that factor.
If the tie rods are tight, you still might need to replace the ball joint, as you mentioned it has free play.
Try the vibration test, and listen for a constant howling or grinding which would be a bad bearing.
Yes, an unequal tire (or one with a bubble in it) can wreack havoc on front ends. My experience: first to go are the tie rods, then the ball joints, and wheel bearings seem to be most durable. Unless high mileage and dried-out grease within caused them to fail.