Error code 0420?

Tiny
MICHAEL COSTER
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  • 2011 NISSAN FRONTIER
  • 4.0L
  • V6
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  • 170,000 MILES
I'm getting an error code 0420, Which I know is for bank 1. But the vehicle has two catalytic converters on each bank, so I can't tell if it's the front or the rear catalytic converter. I just replaced an ignition coil that was bad and causing misfiring so I'm guessing that is what caused it to go bad. And I just recently replaced the upstream sensor on bank one and the downstream sensor seemed okay at the time, and there is no other damage or leaks anywhere else on the exhaust. So, I'm assuming it's the catalytic converter. Also, I cleared the code, and it came right back so i'm assuming it wasn't just a fluke. If 0420 can't specify front or rear catalytic converter what would be a good way to tell which one is bad?
Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 12:24 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

There should only be two converters that attach (on each side) to the manifold. See pic 1 below.

If you look at pic 2, it is an exploded view of the rest of the exhaust system. Are numbers 5 and 9 what you are thinking are converters? I realize they look like they could. However, they are simply exhaust tubes.

Let me know.

Joe

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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 1:58 PM
Tiny
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What are parts 5 and 9 in the second picture, they're being labeled as rear catalytic converters on other sites, and on Amazon when I'm going to look for prices on replacements, they bundle them all together so you get 4, calling them the bank 1 front and rear catalytic converters, and bank 2 front and rear catalytic converters, and other sites are calling them primary and secondary catalytic converters.
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 2:05 PM
Tiny
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For example.
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 2:17 PM
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Somehow, I missed the last part of what you said, addressing part 5 and 9, are you sure they're just exhaust tubing, because they're being labeled everywhere else as rear or secondary catalytic converters.
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 2:19 PM
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Hi,

According to my manual, they are front exhaust tubes. You were asking about pic 2 above. I attached the legend to that pic below.

To the best of my knowledge, there are only two.

Let me know if this helps.

Joe

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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 3:44 PM
Tiny
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Yeah, I don't know, that doesn't seem to be right, are you sure it's for a 2011 Frontier 4.0? I added 2 more pics from the Nissan website, look at number 7 and 8 in pic 1, pic 2 shows what they are, they call it "converter and pipe" which I assume is short for "catalytic" converter and pipe, maybe your manual is shortening it even more and just calling it pipe, or doesn't account for the fact that they actually has a catalytic converter in it as well.
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 4:04 PM
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I clicked on the part itself and saw the other names include "front pipe" or "tube exhaust front", as well as "catalytic converter", I'm thinking because the part normally in that spot is called "front pipe" or "exhaust tube front" typically, but this one just happens to also have a catalytic converter in it as well, so it's 2 parts in 1 and can be called either or both. I attached a pic where it says it's other names.
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 4:14 PM
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Hi,

That makes sense to me. Are you planning to install it yourself?

Joe
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 4:16 PM
Tiny
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Yes.
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 4:17 PM
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Mike,

I don't know if you need them, but I attached the directions below. If nothing other, it explains the easiest way to access it. LOL

Take care and if you have a chance, let me know how things turn out for you.

Joe

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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 4:41 PM
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Awesome great thanks, and will do.
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Saturday, March 18th, 2023 AT 4:43 PM
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Sorry, I forgot to get back to you on how it went. I just went ahead and replaced the front converter only, and it seems to have fixed the issue. Also while I was at it I removed the back converter to make it easier to remove the front one, and while I was at it I looked inside it to see if it was indeed another converter like I thought, and if it also looked dirty, and it was indeed a converter, and the cells looked much cleaner than the cells in the front converter, so I think I won't have any issues with not replacing the rear one. The only problems I encountered were when removing the exhaust manifold cover the bolts were very tight and 2 out of the 3 of them snapped inside there holes, luckily, I managed to get 1 off without it snapping so it still has 1 to hold it on there snug enough. And the other problem was after several hours of driving it I started getting a pa200 error code, for faulty wiring in the front 02 sensor, which is the one on the converter I replaced, and I figured I might have pulled a little to hard on the connector without holding tight enough on the back piece due to it being difficult to getting both hands in there with one of them around on the back connector to squeeze the release flap while holding the back connector tight so the other hand could pull to unplug the front connector that's connected to the 02 sensor, I did feel a little something like that when I was doing it, like a slight give or pop, like one of the wires might have been pulled out of the back of the connector a little bit, so I wasn't too surprised when I got the code. But I got back in there yesterday to try and see if I could see if any of the wires looked to be pulled out at all, all that I could see was one of the rubber rings that go around the individual wires in the holes where they insert into the back of the connector was sticking out slightly more than the others, by like 1mm, so idk if that was it, it was very slight, but I did my best to push the rubber ring back in with my thumb nail, and also tried pushing all the wires back into the back of the connector the best I could with the limited access I had, again it's hard to get your hands in there, especially around the back side of the connector. But I've been driving it around all yesterday and today and haven't gotten the code again, so I think that might've taken care of the problem.
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Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 AT 11:41 AM
Tiny
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I take it back, the pa200 error code just came back up. So as soon as possible I'm going to try and unplug everything the harness connects to on that side of the engine so I can pull it up through the top and get a better look at it and see if I can push the wires in properly, or fix the ends of the wires somehow, perhaps one got dislodged from the pin that crimps onto it before you slide it into the connector.
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Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 AT 12:36 PM
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Hi,

The P0200 is a generic code related to an injection circuit issue, but it isn't listed for this vehicle. Are there any other codes present?

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 AT 6:33 PM
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Sorry I said pa200 but I meant p2a00, which is for bank 1 sensor 1 o2 sensor out of range, and it stuck in my head as bad wiring because that was the one of the causes that I thought it was, because I just replaced the o2 sensor, and because I felt that popping feel when I was disconnecting it like I said. But after looking back at the causes again I remember the other causes it mentioned such as a blown fuse in O2 sensor circuit, low or excessive fuel pressure, vacuum leak, or exhaust leaks. I know exhaust leaks would make sense since I just replaced the catalytic converter, but I tightened everything pretty well, but I'll try and see If its leaking exhaust somewhere, not sure how though, might just spray the joints with soapy water or something to see if I see bubbles, unless you have a better idea. I'll also check the fuses and fuel pressure and see if I can find any vacuum leaks. I'm actually thinking it might be a vacuum leak because I recently removed the intake manifold, so maybe I didn't replace one of the hoses securely enough, or one might've been old and started to crack, so I might check that first. If you have any suggestions let me know.
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Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 AT 11:21 PM
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Hi,

That code is related to the A/F sensor (o2 sensor). Possible causes are a vacuum leak, the sensor itself, fuel pressure, or a fuel injector issue.

Have you been able to check for a vacuum leak?

Let me know. Also, let me know if the fuel pressure has been checked. If it hasn't here is a link that explains in general how it's done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Take care,

Joe
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Thursday, March 30th, 2023 AT 6:47 PM
Tiny
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Hey, sorry it took me a while to reply, I hadn't gotten a chance to work on the truck till yesterday. I checked for vacuum leaks and couldn't find any. I tried to check my fuel pressure, but there is no easy access pressure port, the only way other than lowering the fuel tank and checking it at the fuel pump, which is in the fuel tank, is to disconnect the fuel line where it attaches to the fuel rail via a quick disconnect connection, however I'm having trouble with that. I know normally there is a ridge on the male tube that the prongs inside the female quick disconnect connector latches onto so that you need a quick disconnect tool to remove it. I have a set of those in different sizes, but none of them work because there seems to be a second ridge on the male pipe, right outside the edge of the female quick disconnect connector, preventing me from sliding the tool under or inside the female connecter to compress the prongs so that I can release the connector. At first I thought maybe that was the ridge that the prongs were supposed to be catching, and that I must have released it already and that the pipe is just snug in there and I just need to pull a little harder, but I didn't want to pull too hard and break the prong, plus when I pull it you can hear the prongs catching on a ridge inside it, and it wiggles pretty freely until it reaches its stop and stops solidly, making the clicking noise of the prongs catching on something that must be a second ridge, so it's not like I got it passed the ridge and it's just on the pipe snuggly. I've also tried wrapping the tool around the ridge but when I do that the tool isn't flush enough with the male pipe to get under the female connector, it's either flush with the pipe but before the ridge so the ridge stops it, or around the ridge so it's not flush and can't get inside the connector. I've tried with all the sizes of the tool and can't get any under there. I've also tried, as I've read others suggest, to push down on the connector while pushing up on the tool, so that the prongs aren't in a bind with the ridge inside when I try to get the tool in there, but that isn't working either. I provided a picture to kind of depict what I suspect the situation to be, and a video where you can see the ridge that's outside the connector, blocking me from getting the tool in there, as well as how I can wiggle it and the noise it makes when it catches on what I assume is a second ridge. Here's the link to the video if it's easier: https://youtube.com/shorts/CKNEn_609Z8. Also do you have instructions for testing the throttle body, or a wiring diagram and the proper ohms or voltages I should be getting for each of the wire connectors prongs, I'm having trouble finding the info for my throttle body.
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Thursday, April 13th, 2023 AT 1:40 PM
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Hi,

I believe there should only be one ridge. If, however, there are two, if you have the tool to remove it, you should be able to get it over the second ridge.

I attached a pic below of the Nissan tool used for this. Is this what you have?

Let me know.

Joe

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Thursday, April 13th, 2023 AT 6:16 PM
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Similar but mine are metal, I have several in different sizes, I attached a picture of one of them. Try as I might I can't get it under with the ridge in the way.
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Thursday, April 13th, 2023 AT 7:53 PM
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Hi,

The one I sent a pic of may be thinner. That is the only thing I can think of. It should come off, but like everything, nothing is ever easy. LOL

Do me a favor. Stop at your local parts store and see if they have something thinner that they lend out to people. If you can't get over the first ridge, that is the only solution I can think of.

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, April 14th, 2023 AT 6:37 PM

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