Engine idle drops and dies after cold cranking?

Tiny
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Since the weather has gotten colder, I've had this weird issue. If I'm parked on a hill with the nose facing downward and crank the cold engine, it will start out idling fine, then after a minute or so it will start idling really low and the whole van shakes, then the engine dies. I can turn around and crank it back up and it will run fine - but there is no CEL indicating a problem.

It has happened twice so far this winter. The second time the engine didn't totally shut off, but it almost did before it revved back up again and the battery light flashed for a split second.

I tested the battery with a load tester and it's fine (it's only 2 years old). Alternator was also replaced maybe 3 years ago. Could it be fuel pump/filter? Without CEL/error codes it's hard to tell.
Tuesday, January 20th, 2026 AT 8:47 AM

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Tiny
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The description sounds like separated fuel. Ethanol loves to pull moisture out of the air and then that settles into the tank. With the nose tilted down that may be enough to settle the bad mix under the fuel pickup in the tank and you get this response from the engine getting a larger amount of a water/ethanol blend than it can handle. The cold means that the PCM tries to run a richer mixture and that dumps more of the crud into the engine and you get misfires and the engine stalls. I would suggest running it down farther then filling it with non-ethanol fuel. Running more fuel out of it should help remove the moisture.
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Tuesday, January 20th, 2026 AT 10:57 AM
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I thought it might be fuel related. I don't remember how much fuel was in the tank the first time, but the second occurrence I just filled the tank the day before
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Tuesday, January 20th, 2026 AT 11:02 AM
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It can be easily with modern fuels. Especially if you got a bad batch like some folks in Colorado got, theirs was diesel in the gas but water can be much worse.
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Tuesday, January 20th, 2026 AT 1:14 PM
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Ok that's good it could just be fuel. I'll run some of the "good stuff" in it and see if that helps
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Tuesday, January 20th, 2026 AT 1:36 PM
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Let us know. FYI it does have a fuel filter but it is in the fuel tank as part of the pump assembly. As such you normally just change out the complete assembly instead of just the filter, but it sounds more like the fuel itself.
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Tuesday, January 20th, 2026 AT 11:06 PM
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I think I've narrowed it down it only seems to do it when parked facing downward on a hill AND I turn the heat on. It did it to me twice this morning and I had to crank it back up again. The third time I didn't turn the heat on and it stayed running. Once I was driving down the road I turned the heat on and it ran fine no issue, even on hills. Very strange.
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Friday, January 23rd, 2026 AT 6:55 AM
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Strange. If turning on the heat means you turned the blower motor up in speed that would increase the load on the engine. Try this, park nose down and turn on the headlights, does it stall then? The description you gave earlier still sounds fuel related though, like it's running out of fuel and stalls. I would put a fuel pressure gauge on it and see what the fuel pressure does when it stalls, as well as what the pressure does under normal conditions. For that you T the pressure gauge in the line that feeds the fuel rail under the hood. Normal fuel pressure with the engine running should be between 55 and 65 PSI. So if you see 40 psi and it drops off when you do the test we need to determine if it's the fuel pump or if it's electrical from the increased load that is causing the pump to slow down.
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Friday, January 23rd, 2026 AT 10:15 AM
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Ok now today I was parked in a flat parking lot with the heat on and anytime the compressor kicked on the engine would shudder and RPMs would drop way down, then it would ramp back up on its own. I turned the heat off and it idled fine the rest of the time I waiting.
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Saturday, January 24th, 2026 AT 11:57 AM
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I would run a fuel pressure check on it, low pressure could cause it to run under lower power and cause it to stumble, No CEL on correct? May also need a throttle body cleaning if it doesn't jump up the idle fast enough.
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Saturday, January 24th, 2026 AT 1:11 PM
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Yes no CEL at all. My neighbor has a fuel pressure gauge I'll see if I can check it. Might be a bit since this ice storm is coming tonight. I'm leaning towards fuel pump myself, as sometimes it turns over for a few seconds before firing up, making me think the fuel pump is getting weak.
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Saturday, January 24th, 2026 AT 1:15 PM
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Yeah, that is a sign of a failing pump. Waiting for the storm myself, already got the low temps.
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Saturday, January 24th, 2026 AT 1:46 PM
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What's the best way to replace the fuel pump assembly? Just pull up the carpet in the back and take it out through the floor? Also, you said the filter was part of the assembly so there's not one in-line? I was going to just buy the whole thing but wanted to make sure
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Tuesday, February 3rd, 2026 AT 12:09 PM
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No inline filter, just the one on the pump assembly in the tank. Not a hard one to access. Move the second row seat forward fully, then lift the carpet and you will find an access panel. Remove it and under it will be the pump, clean off any crud before you proceed. Now disconnect the harness and the quick connect for the fuel line. Then you unscrew the retaining ring and once it's off, the pump lifts out, watch out for the level sender. Now you should get new seals in the kit. The wide one goes in the tank, the pump goes through it and the ring goes on top under the retainer. I like to give them a very light wipe of silicone grease, just so things go together better. If you have spray silicone it works as well. Set the pump in and align it as shown. Align the arrow on the retaining ring with the first thread on the tank and tighten down the ring. The ring gets torqued to 52 ft lb if using a drive tool on it. Now inspect the harness, they can loosen up or corrode and it's much easier to replace the pigtail now then after you put things back together and discover there is a problem. Then attach the fuel line and plug it in and test it, try to rock the vehicle to be sure the level sender works. For the plate, if the original goop is still soft you can re-use it, If it's not a bead of caulk will work, it's just to keep fumes and critters out.
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Tuesday, February 3rd, 2026 AT 4:22 PM
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Alright I ordered the fuel pump assembly here's hoping this fixes the issue. It's also time for new brakes so it's gonna be a long day of car work lol
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Wednesday, February 4th, 2026 AT 4:27 PM
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Let us know what you end up with. Good luck.
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Wednesday, February 4th, 2026 AT 4:48 PM
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Ok the new fuel pump assembly is installed and it's running good so far. I'll report back if any issues tomorrow when I know I'll be parked on a hill with the heat on again. If not, it's fixed!
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Sunday, February 8th, 2026 AT 12:09 PM
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Hope to hear good news.
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Monday, February 9th, 2026 AT 2:07 PM
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So far so good. Past two mornings I've had it parked nose down on a hill with heat on and the RPMs never dipped once. Thanks
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Wednesday, February 11th, 2026 AT 7:37 AM
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Sounds like you got it taken care of. Good job.
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Wednesday, February 11th, 2026 AT 11:21 AM

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