Trying to get my car running

Tiny
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Hi,

I'm trying to get my car running,
It's a 1938 American Bantam.
The issue is there are no timing marks.
You cannot use timing marks.
Timing, distributor points are at issue.

Please help,

Kenny
Tuesday, October 15th, 2019 AT 4:07 AM

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Tiny
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

Kenny, this is going to be a tough one. However, lets give it a try. Since you mentioned timing marks, are you trying to install the distributor or need help adjusting the points?

If it is related to the points, I need to know engine size (how many cylinder) to determine what is called dwell. That is the amount of time the points stay open. Also, if you are working with replacing the distributor, let me know.

Any pictures you have will be helpful so I can see what you are working on. Also, please keep in mind, I have absolutely no technical information on this vehicle, so let's hope the basics get the job done. When you respond, please be as specific as you can regarding what needs done.

I will watch for your reply. By the way, this is a far cry from a Smartcar. LOL

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, October 15th, 2019 AT 7:00 PM
Tiny
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Joe

Hi,
here are the pictures, I a not replacing the distributor, the car was running about a year ago.
Just trying to get it to run again. There are no timing marks, no way to put a vacuum gauge on it etc. If you need other views of the engine to make it easier to help me get the car running.
Please let me know.

Thank you, Kenny
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Wednesday, October 16th, 2019 AT 2:55 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

The first thing, you need to get the plug wires to the correct cylinder. Is anything casted on the cylinder head? A standard firing order for a 4 cyl is a 1342. Do you see that anywhere?

Joe
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Wednesday, October 16th, 2019 AT 5:26 PM
Tiny
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Yes, 1342 is what I have used in the past, looking at the distributor cap.
Number 1 plug is the closest one to the front of the car.
Looking at the head of the car, number one is the first plug facing the front radiator of the car.

Is this correct? See photos>

Thank you,

Ken
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Thursday, October 17th, 2019 AT 5:48 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

I would say yes. The closest to the front should be cylinder 1. Now, make sure the number 1 cylinder piston is at top dead center and the rotor button under the distributor cap points at the number 1 spark plug wire. Also, confirm the rotation direction of the rotor to make sure you have the wires in the correct firing order.

Let me know what you want to do next.

Joe
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Thursday, October 17th, 2019 AT 6:56 PM
Tiny
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Joe

Hi I turned the engine over just to
get the rotor to match up with cap,
number one plug.

Please see pictures

thank you,

Kenny
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Friday, October 18th, 2019 AT 11:21 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

Now that you have aligned the rotor button with number one on the cap, is the number 1 cylinder still at top dead center (TDC)? If it is, give it a try and let me know the results.

Joe
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Friday, October 18th, 2019 AT 7:51 PM
Tiny
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Joe.

Good morning, I believe the number 1 cylinder is at top dead center. The issue at this moment I am not getting any spark at the points. I turned the engine over in the dark, no spark.

I checked the battery, it is fine.

Kenny
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Saturday, October 19th, 2019 AT 4:24 AM
Tiny
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Joe Hi

I checked the wire going to the coil, I get a spark from the wire. I believe part of the issue is the connection between the condenser, wire on the distributor. There are fiber washers, not sure if they are placed correctly. I have attached a photo.
How should I approach this? What steps should I take?

Thank you, Kenny
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Saturday, October 19th, 2019 AT 8:17 AM
Tiny
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Hi Kenny.
The washers look okay. When you say you get spark, is that when you remove the coil wire from the distributor? Is it a just one spark or does it pulse on and off? Is there anything from the plug wires as far as spark?

Let me know. The reason I ask is because if there is spark off the coil, then the problem is between the rotor button and distributor cap.

I will watch for your reply. Also, let me know how you gaped the plugs and if you have one of the old dwell meters.

Take care,
Joe
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Saturday, October 19th, 2019 AT 4:47 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

Hi, first I took the hot wire going to the distributor, removed it. Then turned on the key, touched the hot wire to a ground and got a spark. Then I turned the car over, removed plug, attached number one wire, grounded plug, No spark at plug. Pulled coil wire from center of coil, grounded it, again no spark. Also, I have a dwell meter, have not used for many years.

Thanks again,

Kenny
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Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 9:15 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

Same here. I've had it for many years and it just collects dust. LOL (dwell meter)

Have you set the points? Are they opening and closing? Are they in good condition?

Joe
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Sunday, October 20th, 2019 AT 9:11 PM
Tiny
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Joe

Hi, per my previous email, I am getting the low voltage from the wire to the distributor. I am not getting the high voltage from
the coil, no voltage from the plug wires.

Perhaps the below diagram will be helpful.

Thanks for your help.

Kenny
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Monday, October 21st, 2019 AT 2:58 AM
Tiny
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Joe

One more thing, this car has reverse polarity, positive is ground. Would you know if the hot wire coming from the coil to distributor should it be connected to the positive or negative side of the coil?

Kenny
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Monday, October 21st, 2019 AT 5:19 AM
Tiny
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All I can say is that on a traditional ignition, the coil gets power from the positive. I don't want you to make a mistake, so I hate to say it, but on this vehicle, I'm not sure.

Now, I looked again at the pictures. The Is the nylon washer on the left or right of the connection? If on the right, is there any way for it to make contact? On older vehicles, often times the left side of where it bolts to the distributor is a plastic insulator. If you have the nylon washer on the right, it may not be making any connection,

It's just a thought. It's really hard for me to tell in the pic.

Let me know.

Joe

PS: I would love to see a picture of the vehicle. Do you have any?
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Monday, October 21st, 2019 AT 6:48 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

I am sending you some photos, please take a closer look at the way the points, condenser and hot wire are connected to the distributor body.

Please advise.

Thank you.

Kenny
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 2:02 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back"

Picture 1 looks fine. How far do you have the points opening? You have the condenser and points tied together. I assume the wire with the red connector goes to the coil negative. Here is what happens. When the points are closed, low voltage completes the coil circuit and sends a spark. When the points open, the condenser accepts the power. If the points are not opening it won't work, and if they are always open, the condenser will get all the power.

Picture 2 looks unbelievable. Wow is that thing beautiful. I have never seen one and it looks great! In what country are you located? I have never seen one in the US.

Joe
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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 AT 7:59 PM
Tiny
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Joe Hi,

Just for history sake, The American Bantam and Austin are similar cars they are someway tied to the WW2 Jeep. Don't look anything alike. Again thank you for your help. Yes the red tip wire goes to the negative of the coil. The plugs open and close, I cleaned them but still no spark. What is the next step?

If the timing is off would I still get a spark?

Again, thank you

Kenny
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Wednesday, October 23rd, 2019 AT 4:06 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

Timing issues won't cause no spark. It will just spark at the wrong time. Are you certain the rotor is turning when the engine is being cranked? If you remove the distributor cap and crank the engine, does it turn? Have you checked the coil itself?

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, October 23rd, 2019 AT 8:47 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

please see video, the points open and closes and rotor turns.
Please help me get this running.

I feel like the rotor I go around and around, but go nowhere.

What do I need to do? Again please
see video.

Should not take this long.

Thank you,

Kenny
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Thursday, October 24th, 2019 AT 3:29 AM

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