A/C compressor does not kick on

Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 2004 ACURA MDX
  • V6
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 186,000 MILES
I can turn it with my hand. I checked the 7.5 amp fuse and it has power. Switched around relays still nothing. Both fans come on when turning A/C on. Gauge readings are in the picture. The inside panel shows outside ambient temperature as -40 not sure if this has anything to do with it. Freon level was a bit lower but I tried to add some to see if it was low, but I doubt it is.
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 9:02 AM

43 Replies

Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
Hello, when a temperature sensor reads -40 degrees it means that the sensor has an open wire inside of it or a wire going to the sensor is open (broken). The -40 degrees is a default strategy the cars computer reverts to. Here is 2 wiring diagrams of the A/C wiring, there isn't much involved. Just the relay you already checked and the wiring the computer. There should be a code stored in the computer for the ambient temperature sensor. So you need to have the computer scanned for codes to start with, your local parts store will scan it for free. You should check Fuse #59 it feeds the A/C compressor relay. You can also check at the compressor for power on the light blue wire with the system on. The relay is directly controlled by the cars computer. It sounds like because the computer is seeing -40 degrees outside, its probably not turning the A/C compressor on. But I would address the temp sensor first, then see if your compressor turns on. Has the check engine light been on at all?
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 10:47 AM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Check engine nd vtm-4 lights on for o2 sensor. The wire to the ambient sensor is broken, so what am asking is if this ambient sensor is broken and not giving the right temperature it could stop the A/C compressor from coming on? Is there a way to test it such as in connecting the two wires of the sensors together?
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 12:35 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Test light shows ground on the yellowish wire but no power or ground on the brown one. I tried connecting the ground to the sensor and then straight 12v power and nothing happened.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:01 PM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
Yes you can reconnect the 2 wires as long as they're the same color, just so you don't attach the wrong wires together. Are you getting codes for the 02 sensor as well?
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:01 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
The end of the wires to the ambient sensor are too short to connect them so I attached couple of clips and compressor didn't come on and temperature didn't change from -40. One has ground and the other has nothing. Yes, also an o2 sensor p2237. And vtm-4 light as well which I think gave me a speed sensor for one of the wheels. So how do I know that this sensor for ambient temperature can be the cause? I very doubt it will not let my A/C compressor come on.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:19 PM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
Okay, so we have to figure out which temperature sensor has the broken wire. There's an outside temperature sensor and an Evaporator temperature sensors. One has a brown wire and the other is brown/white. The yellow and green wire is ground for both sensors. If the Evap temperature sensor wire (brown) is broken it will not allow the compressor to come on.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:30 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
It is located on the front of the evaporator mounted to the plastic grille. Two wires, must be the outside temperature sensor cause of the colors. The evaporator wires are similar but they end up being black coming out of the sensor as am seeing in the diagram, which isn't the case here.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:33 PM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
Just go by if it's a brown wire or if it's a brown with a white strip, it's located behind the front bumper. The outside temperature sensor is like any other thermistor, same as a coolant sensor, intake air temperature sensor. It receives a 5 volt reference and the ECM monitors the voltage on the circuit to make calculations. Never apply 12 volts to it. You may have damaged the sensing circuit in the climate control unit.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:46 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Brown/white, yellow/green.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:50 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Here.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 1:51 PM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
There may be other damaged wires too, depending on how that one got broken. I would follow that wire as far as you can and make sure there's no other damage. Here's the rear A/F sensor (02) Bank 1 Sensor 1. Check the wiring for this as well before replacing the sensor.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 2:00 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Before catalytic right?
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 2:02 PM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
Yes, the A/F sensors are wide band 02 sensors and are before the catalytic converter, the 02 sensors after the cat are narrow band regular 02 sensors. Here's a diagram of the climate control unit if you want to check the brown/white wire coming straight out of it. Should have a 5 volt reference coming out. You may want to go through your fuses too, just to verify they're all okay. That broken wire hanging down could have shorted out on the frame. Check this #3 7.5amp Fuse as well, it powers up the climate control unit and panel.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 2:09 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
No the were not hanging I cut them, they were just broken and insulated.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 2:42 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Fuse checked it more than once, all fuses have power and good. The A/C display is fully functional. And none of the wires behind it are brown/white.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 2:54 PM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
The climate control unit is different than the display panel with controls on it. The Climate control unit takes commands/inputs from the display panel. Here is its location:
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Friday, July 31st, 2020 AT 3:33 PM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Found it. Checked volts and it's 5v as you mentioned. Also checked on the front sensor wires by attaching + and - via multi-meter to the 2 wires and also gave me 5 volts.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Saturday, August 1st, 2020 AT 10:54 AM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
That's good, check the sensor unplugged for resistance on the meters ohm setting to make sure the sensor isn't open inside. Can I ask why you cut the wires to begin with? Just curious. As for your A/C problem turn the A/C on and check the wire at the compressor for power. The light blue wire.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Saturday, August 1st, 2020 AT 11:16 AM
Tiny
NASER NASER
  • MEMBER
  • 836 POSTS
Resistance on the sensor is none, which I believe means it bad. The sensor harness wires were cut from the root of the clip so I had no way of connecting back.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Saturday, August 1st, 2020 AT 11:49 AM
Tiny
AL514
  • MECHANIC
  • 4,138 POSTS
Your meter is reading OL? If so definitely a bad sensor. Open windings inside. Need to replace that.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
+1
Saturday, August 1st, 2020 AT 11:52 AM

Please login or register to post a reply.

Sponsored links