I need help getting my car running after fuse box, lights and other parts stolen

Once the belt is loose, you can manually turn the alternator pulley to see if it can turn. If the belt is slightly tight you might feel resiatance and the best way to tes is to remove the belt.

Since engine is able to rumble, it might start. Try feathering the throttle slightly to get the engine rpm to increase, which might hold and not stall. Note the charge indicator. If the light goes off, it would mean the alternator is definitely turning and providing charge.

If the alternator is not seized, you would be able to turn the engine with the belt and alternator pulley turning together. If the alternaotr is still stuck, the belt might turn but the pulley it not going to turn.

"Try feathering the throttle slightly to get the engine rpm to increase."

How do I do that? Do you mean press the gas pedal slightly or is there something I need to do in the engine itself? Do I take the cover off the carburetor and do something there?

I'm going to get a 10mm ratchet socket for my ratchet. I only have inch sockets but my half inch will fit in there. So if I get the 10mm I'm betting it would be easier as the bolt looks pretty rusted.

thx

That is not a 10 mm, is a 12 mm heax head. 1/2 inch = 13 mm which would be a loose fit and you might damage the bolt head. 7/16 should be the correct inches size.

Yes, press the gas pedal.

Your engine don't have a carburettor. It is fuel injected and you have the throttle body and air hose. Just to get you to understand just in case we need to come to it later on.

Yes I know it's fuel injected. And I told that to someone checking the car and wanting to get it started. But he told me I still had a carburetor and he pulled the cover off something like a carburator cover and there was a hole with a screen over it. That's were he poured a little gasoline to see if he could get it to start. So I guess that confused me. What was that called that he removed the cover off of?

If it looks something like a carburettor, that could be a Throttle Body Injection (TBI) system which are mostly for 1.5L engines. Only the Civic of later years uses a throttle body type multi-injection system.

For anything that you are not sure, a picture would make it easier for us to understand.

Sorry about the 10mm, I remembered you mentioning it but I see it was for another bolt that if I might need to pull the alternator.

But the 7/16" is too small. The 1/2" is too big. So if the 7/16" should fit in place of a 12mm and it's too small, should I try a 13mm instead of the 12mm? I don't have anything in my tools that's mm so I'll have to buy it.

Thanks for your patience.

Or should I get the 12mm because its metric and may be slightly bigger than 7/16?

Yes, you need the 12 mm and 14 mm too if you are going to remove the alternator.

10 mm is for the alternator wire. Do not attempt to disconnect the alternator without first disconnecting the battery negative terminal.

Didn't matter. I got the 12mm and it fit. Didn't matter though whether I went left loose or right tight, it would not budge. I may have to cut the belt off. But right now, I spent all day on this and got ntohing done. So I have to drop it for now and get back to it tonight. Someone is coming to look at the car tomorrow morning who lives an hour away. I was hoping to get it to start. I guess I'll have someone turn the bolt who has a lot more strength then I do.

Its 4 pm my time. I'm guessing if your all out east your going home about now.

Til next time.
Thanks

Last night someone helped me who was very irritable. He hates mechanics. But I set it up for him to loosen the bolt and he was able to do it. then he watched as I cranked. The belt went round n round but the wheel on the alternator sat still. So the engine pulley is turning it.

Now I'm supposed to be tapping on "A" right? That's a pulley and behind it is a bearing? Or is there somewhere else I'm supposed to be tapping? Anyway there's too little room between the alternator and the car wall to tap with much impact.

To add confusion to this mix another guy called me about the car and he claims the engine can start WITHOUT the alternator. He says it only recharges the battery (which is slowly draining btw). So he says there must be something else causing it to not start.

So I said what's that do you suppose?

He says, the starter's probably not engaging. It may sound like it is but its probably not working. I said tell me more about what it's function is. So he describes this part, a small pin or something that goes into the engine and helps the engine turn over.

Well, I says, the pulley on the engine is turning. Cause when I loosened the bolt, the belt turns freely, because the engine pulley is turning it. So it must be doing its job right? I guess so he says.

So I said, I better ask my experts about what you said concerning the alternator. I believe its main function is to charge the battery. So why won't the car start in spite of it?

Bad gas? I think I've got that right now and its probably from this whole mess. . Hope your evening was pleasant. TT you all tomorrow hopefully.

I've not given up yet.
Lynne

IT STARTED!!!

Someone came to look at the car and they took the belt off, which's still in good condition. After he cranked it, it started right up! They wanted it for $300 and finally said they'd do $00 but now I have to consider whether I should replace the alternator (or free it up somehow) and have the radiator installed along with the fan. If its running I might get more for it, or use it for long trips. It would be a running vehicle with great gas mileage. I can run it now but not for long. It started making noises, I was told that was the clutch and that I should go through the gears. The engine started to smoke a little so we shut it down immediately.

I've attached photos of it because you and Razmataz (and Medic) have given me such great help. I wanted you to see what it looks like. These photos were taken when I had it in the driveway for sale. It still looks like that now since I found the same amber markers and replaced the parts.

Any advice on how often to start it, what to do when it's started (let it idle for short periods until it loosens up or . . .?).

Thanks so much. You've been amazingly patient with someone who knows so little.

If the alternator is not working, starting the engine is going to get more and more difficult as the battery drains and it is not advisable to keep engine running for too long a period without the alternator as the alternator can get damaged but that might not be aproblem as most probably you would need to be replacing it as well.

Over here even an old motorcycle would cost more than 300.

I looked on craigs list for cars like mine to see what they would be like with repairs in place up in terms of price. But they were usually a couple of years newer or had gas mileage in the 180+ range. Few have as much mileage as mine. But few give as good a gas mileage. My mileage was accrued in Hwy miles as I traveled from Mn to Cal to Fl and back more than once and Florida many, many times

Shall I start it again at all? The noises the clutch made were aweful but I was told I could just shift through the gears and that would all clean out. I don't want to burn out the clutch. What would you do while waiting for the right buyer? I'm referring to keeping the car cared for and not letting the engine or other parts not get bad again.

On other deicision, I thought about a search for a mechanic who would come out to put in the radiator, alternator, or have it towed which is more cost. My garage has no provisions and such said mechanic would be difficult to find. They will no doubt need to get under it for the radiator cooling fan. So other than car lifts that are generally used for tire replacements I have nothing.

I'm considering letting others come out and take a look and seeing if I get a better offer. I could say firm on the $600 I originally asked for as well. But it has 328XXX miles on it. Good gas runner though and it was always reliable. I treated it well with good oil changes and up to date repairs as needed. That is until I let it sit outside. I still feel badly about that. Lot of stress and loss of money doing that, not to mention leaving it in a driveway where vultures could pick at it.

As my dad used to say: Live and learn then die and forget the whole damn thing.

Lynne

This engine can last a life time if you have regular oil changes and don't allow it to overheat. Since you are waiting to sell it, you should start it at least every 2 or 3 days but you would have to keep charging the battery as it would get drained and without the radiator and cooling fans, a 2 to 3 minute start up is the limit, from a cold engine.

Hi KHL Razmataz,
Thanks for that advice on car starting. Pepple are low balling the price at $300 $350. But when the guy who offered $400 found out I wanted to tt other buyers he raised it $25 and pressured me to let him get it over the weekend. No dice. I'm rethinking the whole thing and here's why. This car went from having been told the compression is too bad in two cylinders to ever start (the tow guy tooked at it in his shop and pronounced it a salvage car), to thinking it could start if I get a fuel pump, (a step up), theft, (step down) to learning what's wrong and getting it to start.

I thought about fixing the problems but wanted to see what the car could be priced at if I did and checked out CL. One guy I contacted because he had no price and it was close to mine. Or so I thought. He sold a Honda hathchback BODY for $500. No motor. That woke me up a little.

I told him my story. He said he might be interested in my car but added "from one seller to another, I'd say have someone or yourself fix those problems and resell it for about $1500." He went further to explain that from his experience even though my car has 328K miles on it, people buy hatchbacks of from around those years (88-93) and keep them running because of the gas mileage and reliability. He told me a website I can use to find a lot of salvage places and parts stores with rebuilt alternators.Get the parts he suggested and get it fixed.

Then when I told him getting my car towed to a mechanic was costly, and out here the lowest they charge is $60 an hour ($100 and over in the city). He said that was too much and offered to come out to do the work for gas money and a donation when I got the parts. He said he and a friend would come on a Saturday and can get it done in my driveway in a day. Then said he had friends in the city he could stay at if it took longer. Now I gotta say, he did say he'd been working on, buying and selling Hondas for a while.

Well it turns out he lives 2.5 hours from me. He was still willing to do it. I told him there was another mechanic living nearer who offered to help. He was fine with it either way but said I should definitely fix it and get it back out on CL at a better price.

But when I told Chris, he was very much against the whole thing because they're strangers. He was unsure why they would want to come all this way just to fix my car for gas and a donation, and then what? Drive back? I pointed out all of buyers I've met have been two guys. One mechanic and one who knows body repair. And he said he was interested the car so that would be the motivation. It didn't seem sinister to me.

I had offered Josh the job with pay before Dor (that's this other mechanic's name) called me. Josh helped me put in fuses and he contacted me the same day and said he'd be willing to do it.

Pluses regarding Josh are I've met him and he seems like he just wants to help. His dad already got another car.
Minuses are he's not worked on Hondas before and when he helped me with the fuses he was interrupted by his family's responsibilities. Also he and his wife share the cell phone on certain days, so he's hard to reach when she's got it. That's fine if he offered to help with a small project for free but I plan to pay him for this job. I can see it taking days because of his life style. I'd need to be assured he'd get it done in a day as well and I don't think he can do that.

So I chose to use Dor (new guy's name) because he has Honda repairing knowledge.(Chris would say "Or so he says"). He says he can do it quickly. And I plan to get his information. Though Chris wants me to get it when they arrive as they can make stuff up on the phone. Because they're from so far away he's very uncomfortable about it.

I know there's a Honda culture out there so it's not so strange to me that they travel far for a car they might want. But I also understand and have some caution myself. After all, we would have never guessed someone would steal parts from my car out here in rural la-la land. Though we're really city folk, that experience made my trust level go down a little more. Still, what mechanic or buyer do we ever know when we first do business with them. And these two plan to come in broad daylight.

Questions for you all:
How long should it take to install a radiator with hoses and an alternator?
Should I try to find out more about Dor's experience (his friend is coming "just for the ride"). I could ask where he works. I don't want to offend him but it might be a good idea.

Comments on any of this, of course, is welcomed.

Lynne

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to perfomr the jobs listed. It is a plug and play type of job whereby any fitter should be able to do the job. 2 hours would be way out of the time limit for a mechanic.

That's if I get all the parts it's two hours. And if he has all his tools since he's coming to my home. Delays are always the devil that's in the details.

I got the rad/cooling fan and the alternator. No prob. All work and all at good prices, 30-day warranty on the radiator so we can test it out when it runs. But they cut the wire with the female plug that goes tothe plug on the cooling fan. Also he's going to have to wire my side bumper markers back up on the passenger side. They cut wires on those too.

I know where I can get the plug and wire. There's a Honda Civic 91 dx hatch with the radiator still intact. I didn't buy that one because it cost $75 with the core charge and taxes. Core charge. Even though I don't have one to give because it stolen I have to pay it anyway. So I found one for only $54 (tax included) with no core charge and a 30-day warranty. Parts so far under $100. It's coming together. : )

So I'm going to have Josh come over tonight and look at the space and tell me anything else he can see that I'll need. From hoses to bolts, I'm getting a list together. Maybe I can do the radiator myself. I think it should be pretty simple. The alternator I want to leave for someone else to pull out and replace.. I'd rather not struggle with rusty bolts and tight spaces.

Those two things and the wiring of the lights, oh and the dash fuse cover which I'll pick up tomorrow, should do it. Then it goes back online with a new price and a new update.

Shall I keep you posted? I mean if I sell it do you want to hear the end of the story and know what it went for?

Thanks so much to all of you. You were a part of the outcome guys, I really appreciate your support and advise!

Lynne (one of many damsels you've probably saved from her distress!)

Splicing the wires for the lights should not be a problem. The Black colored wire is for ground circuit and the Green/Yellow ( if I am not mistaken) is the power source from the turn signal relay.

You can keep us posted but no obligations.

Have a great weekend.

QUESTIONS FOR SAFETY:

How could I have forgotten this! Two things happened when the car started. When this car is intact people will be wanting to test drive itand I don't want to damage the car or the person driving it.

No 1 In a short amount of time the engine smoked and we had to shut the car off.One of the guys said it was because it sat so long that running the car was putting too much oil. He said over time that would burn off or clear up. I'm paraphrasing and its probably inaccurate what I think he said.

No. 2, The guy who started the car took it through the gears and there was no noise, but there was when he put it in neutral. He said that was a temporary issue from sitting as well. But I can remember what he said. I think it had something to do with a clutch bearing or gear grinding when going into neutral or something? He said it would go away.

What could these two symptoms be and how can it be resolved?

Is there a way to gently ease this car back into use or do I need to do some more major engine/clutch work?

These symptoms were NOT there when the car was running in February.

Thanks.

Don't worry about anything further. Once you get the car running, go for a short drive and hope whatever are not supposed to be there goes away after the drive.

Outside of selling it, this is my last update. It's been a long day. All is done except the alternator. It appears when trying to start the car while it was locked up, somehow, either when loosening the belt or in just repeated attempts to start with it on, the longest bolt won't go out the threads and may be bent. So we can't get the bad alt out. Radiator and lights are all done and rewired and it almost looks as if it was never touched by a thief. BUt we can't get past this point yet and will try tomorrow.

He had it up on a jack, maybe he can try with it down, but it's a low car.

No obligations and if you don't respond I understand. This has been a long journey. But if you have suggestions on getting a difficult and possibly bent bolt (bent maybe inside where it's threaded? ) we need to find a way to get it out.

Tomorrow we'll try again.

PS it sounds wonderful, like its old self except when I release the clutch in neutral. THen it grinds. I was told it was the flywheel which is stuck to the clutch and I will drive it and see if it unsticks. But it's unwise to do any driving without an alternator.

My thanks to you. I will spread the word about your website. You've been amazing. I put in that I wanted to donate but it did not bring me to a page to do so. Give me your address and I will send a check or I can maybe call in a cred cd and donate on the phone. \You all deserve it.

Lynne

If you click the "Upgrade Question" link, you should come to the page for donations.

If you the long bolt is stuck, you can try removing the bracket. It is not easy for the bolt to get bent, maybe it it rusted and stuck, Try some rust penetrant and keep turning the bolt until it loosens up.

The mysterious Donation Page:
Okay, I give up and admit to getting a low grade for good obsrevation. I answered yes for donation and put in a dollar amount before we began this journey. Right after I said yes I expect it to take me to the page for donating. It didn't. So I assumed when we got started it would show at the end.

You said click the question upgrade link. Where exactly is that? I can't find it. Boy I feel silly. It's probably REAL obvious. Is it on the right panel, left side?

Is it at the bottom where it says "link to us"? That seems like a link for a facebook page or website.
Hmmm. Got a PO Box for me to send a check to? It's old fashioned but right now I'm feeling all this technology is getting old ftoo.

Lynne

Just after your first post (page 1 of this thread) you would see it at bottom. There are other links all in blue .

Okay, this is my post so I can see it.

KHL & Razmataz,
Got it done. Thanks for your time and help. I hope you continue doing what you do so well. You've been very patient (at least online. . .no one really knows what you say offline. . .ha!)

The best to you.

PS the car's almost done, Josh will come over tonight and I'm sure we'll get the alternator finally in.I was advised to try for 1500 obo. That's much better price to post with and I spent under $200 for parts plus the payment for labor.

Lynne

MAYBE SOMEONE WILL SEE (AND BENEFIT FROM) WHAT I ATTEMPTED TO 'SPLAIN A WHILE BACK YONDER ON.........LET'S SEE........"PAGE 3" , FOUND WITHIN 2 LINKS I POSTED

"FABU" NO LONGER WORKS--BUT "A124" DID.....THIS MORNING ON MY NEIGHBORS '95 NISSAN SENTRA.....NEEDING AN ALTERNATOR TOO

JUST FOR GIGGLES I INSTALLED A '90 HONDA ALTERNATOR INTO THE "SHOPPING CART "W/ AND W/O THE SAME PROMO CODE............THEN I TOOK 2 SCREENSHOTS OF THE SCENARIO AS IT PROGRESSED

LOOKY HERE BELOW!!!................................DO I NOT TRY TO HELP OR WHAT?

....I'LL BE GLAD WHEN ANOTHER CJ 5 OR 7 HAS A PROBLEM (NOT TRYING TO WISH BAD LUCK ONTO ANOTHER JEEPER OR NUTHIN')

THE MEDIC

Thanks for the donation Lynne.

Online we try to help with our advice and make conversation out of it, offline I try not to talk tomy wife to aoid trouble, lo.

Have a great time ahead and good luck to your sales if you decided it has to go through.

K H Low.

I SECOND THAT!

I REALLY LIKE THE ONES THAT WILL STICK WITH YOU AND SEND PICS OF THEIR RIG, TO BOOT

EVEN IF I WAS NOT MUCH INVOLVED, COMMO WENT REALLY WELL WITH THE OTHERS

THE MEDIC

Hey guys, This is me offering some info to all three of you since you've all helped me. Though you may already know about this please indulge me. Medic's email with the promo stuff inspired me to share a website you all probably knows about but its for anyone else that doesn't. So maybe you can let them know too.

Medic, to be honest, I'm not sure what the connection was with my car's regarding your neighbor's alternator cost, but I'm guessing from the one image I could see it was about how to save money using a promo? Your alternator was around $69. So maybe it cost that much because it was new and not a rebuilt?

It made me think of the following website someone from CL tuned me into.
car-part.com.

I'm sure there's others out there. This one is Nationwide. Plug in (no pun intended) your state, zip, vehicle's details and THE PART you are seeking and presto! You get every local salvage and parts store that has that par, rebuilt or used, for your car iIN STOCK. It tells the cost, how to contact them, ect. So you get the best bargain and you save money and time. These places use this website to list their parts.

What I paid for parts and why it was so low (prices vary from state to state of course).
Alternator, rebuilt with warranty = $25

Radiator at= $54-Radiator has no leaks, looks brand new, its an A part and has a warranty.
Cooling fans (mine has two,one's for the AC)= $20 tested to work and has warranty
Does not include misc costs for hoses (new) clamps, ect. Under $25

The markers and lamps, wiring bulbs, relays all test and with warrenty, ect was under $35.

Total in parts was in the range of $135 plus taxes and other misc I failed to include (fuses, dash fuse box cover, ect)). I

could've done worse. It's all back and now its running smooth and quiet.

t was an eye opener for me, I went to the salvage yard I knew about but never realized there were so many other choices locally which had better prices. It saved me time, money and frustration. I got the bulk of my parts in one afternoon. It felt great!

Aside for (KHL the clutch noise iwhile n neutral stopped in about 10 minutes of running the car).And the engine sounds as quiet as I've ever had it. The mechanic commented on how great the engine sounds.

There were many others who helped me. The guy who contacted me from CL who told me about the website also encouraged me to repair the car before selling it. my neighbor who did the mechanical work and you ALL including the humorous and barely comprehensible Medic. (Just kidding) = D

Lynne

PS your in my bookmarks. I don't want to cause you stress, but you may be hearing back from me again down the road.

With the prices being offered, are these charity orgnisations?
Imagine $25 for a rebuilt alternator, the labor itself for rebuilding would cost more than that, not to mention parts and transportation fees to various locations. Maybe they took in the parts, cleaned it up and repack it for sales, hoping that the alternator is not bad and was in due to misdiagnosis.

I never had any love for rebuilt parts as there are many bad memories from personal experiences, especially starter motors and alternators.

Whatever stress we have would definitely not be coming from you as we can always turn the computer off and take a break. Demanding customers we meet directly are the ones that causes those but to me these are part and parcel of what we are doing, the service industry.

If you rebuild and engine aren't you doing the same thing? Finding good parts and replacing old ones in an engine? The alternator was rebuilt at a salvage yard so who would have good parts to select from but them. And it's warranted. If it goes bad I can return it and I'll buy a new one in it's place.

Anyway, it's only $25, it's worth it because it's got me on the road and works fine so far. Even if it lasts a short time. I'm happy. No worries.

Have you ever sold a car, I mean one you owned? I was wondering, when they come to test drive it do you have them leave their keys with you? Seems someone asked me for mine once.
People have been telling me horror stories regarding attempts to steal their Honda A guy told me on the phone from CL that a friend's car was stolen from his sales lot that he tried to sell. He said he foolishly wrote the CL ad like a used car salesman would. . ."Come see this car, new wheels, ect. . . .at this address" with pictures. You don't do that on CL. So 3 am a car pulled up, took the car, stold the wheels off it and dropped the car on the ground damaging it and and left it abandoned. Though the license plate of the car they came in on is on cameras as is the act itself, and though they drove by the camera with smiles on there faces, the cops can do nothing about it he says. I bet it's because the car they came with was also stolen.
And today I was told by my coworker she had a civic and while driving it someone started to chase her. She sped through an area at 70 mph and the other car followed suit. A cop pulled her over and asked her if she felt chased. She did and wondered why. Before he pursued them he said they were not after her but her car and advised her to head straight home and don't stop. She had a 96 Honda Civic.
Maybe its too dangerous for me to keep this car. . .
Anyway, I'm jaded since the car was raided (rhyme unplanned). And now I'm nervous about how to protect myself from strangers who come with friends to take it for a test drive.

I know, you advise on mechanical iissues. But I thought I'd ask. But just persons to person, any advice on this? I seldom sell a car. It's usually towed away by cops or tow trucks! LOL!!

OTHER THAN RIDIN' IN THE BACK SEAT WITH 'EM, WITH YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON WITHIN REACH

YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO IN ORDER TO SELL ANYTHING

SURELY, THEY WILL ARRIVE IN A VEHICLE, THIS MAY BE LOOKED UPON AS COLLATERAL ?

WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY DID ON THEIR TEST DRIVE IF YOU DIDN'T GO WITH 'EM?

MY BUDDY BUGGED HIS BRONCO WITH A MICRO TAPE RECORDER---WHEN THEY RETURNED TO HIS HOUSE, HE WOULD MAKE UP AN EXCUSE AND RUN IN THE HOUSE TO GET THE "INSIDE SCOOP" ON WHAT WAS SAID, OR COULD HEAR HOW IT WAS TREATED.......AFTER ALL IT IS YOUR CAR

YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL 'EM, IT AIN'T INSURED, AND THEY ARE WELCOME TO DRIVE IT AROUND THE YARD.

OKAY.......I SHUT UP NOW!

THE MEDIC

Never trust anybody with your car keys and never go for test drive with them by yourself. We have cases of the owner being dumped by the roadside and the being driven off.

Regarding the cost of parts, definitely I woud try to source for them at the cheapest price possible but the prices are ridiculous.

I won't go with anyone for the drive. Good advise. But how can they test drive a car without a key? Or are you saying just give them a second key, not my personal keys?

They'll be leaving the car they came in behind. Should I request they leave their car keys with it?

Giving them a spare key is equivalent to the original key. If they are willing to leave their car behind it would be good but make sure they are the rightful owner. Don't want you to be caught for possession of a stolen car.

For anybody that wants to test drive your vehicle, make sure you record down personal particulars and identification. You can be careful but there is no way of telling what can happen. Just pray that whoever is interested in buying your vehicle is a genuine buyer.

I can screen after the initial emails by phone before meeting. There's a church next door. I would want to park the car there and they can come meet me and Chris (my husband). I'd want them to bring cash payment at that meeting in case they want the vehicle. I take their info and the key to their car. But aside from that ow in the world can I make sure they are the rightful owner? The fact that they're at the church would probably protect me from illegalities if they stold the vehicle their in.

Say they want to come when the church has their service Wednesdays and I have to do it at my home.
If I'm at home how would I find out if the car is stolen?

YOU CAN "IF" ANYTHING TO DEATH

ASK TO HOLD THE FUNDAGE, WHEN THEY TEST DRIVE

IF THEY NEVER COME BACK FOR THEIR CAR---REPORT IT AS ABANDONED

HAVE YOUR BUDDY INCONSPICUOUSLY FOLLOW 'EM

JUST LEAVE 'EM A GALLON OR SO OF FUEL IN THE CAR, AND A LOCKING GAS CAP W/ NO KEY

LET YOUR IRRITATING NEIGHBOR RIDE WITH 'EM

I'D THINK THAT 2 FORMS OF ID, AND INSURE THEY HAVE A VALID DRIVERS LICENSE.....SEE IF HOME ADDRESSES "JIVE" ON THE IDs

A FELLER BORROWED MY IMPACT WRENCH ONCE.....A ONLY KNEW HIM IN PASSING--HE WAS NOT A COMPLETE STRANGER.....WHEN HE BROUGHT IT BACK...........I RETURNED HIS WEDDING BAND

THE MEDIC

I like "ask to hold the fundage". It's cash and easily countable when returned. But Hondas can go 40+miles on a gallon of gas. If they want to take it somewhere closer and take parts off it, ect. that gallon will allow it, gas cap or not.

Whose my irritating neighbor? The pastor of the church? I don't know about that. He and I are "friendly" but last time I asked him and his fellows a favor, like help me push the car from my second driveway to the garage to protect it, he asked me to attend the church afterward. You know, there's no free love lunch.

Folks, I want to do this safely but I also want to do it within reason. I don't want to lose the sale because I'm treating them like they may be felons. Good buyers will understand and accept ids and maybe even hold the fundage. Is that something commonly done?

I love the wedding ring story. You ought to do stand up comedy! You're really quite a character.

REALLY

I KNEW I'D GET MY IMPACT WRENCH BACK

...................OR HIS WIFE WOULD HAVE HIS BUTT!

AM KINDA QUICK W/ SOMETHIN' TO LAUGH AT.......AND EVEN STUFF TO THINK ABOUT/ AND PONDER ON

NO MATTER WHAT MY BELIEFS OR THOUGHTS ARE---I'LL TAKE THE OPPOSING SIDE, JUST TO GET/ KEEP STUFF STIRRED UP!

......NOT THE CHURCH SIDE!.........THE OTHER NEIGHBORS....THE ONE'S THAT BLAST THAT EVIL DRUG MUSIC AT NIGHT---FLY UP AND DOWN THE ROAD---THROW TRASH IN YOUR YARD!

http://www.2carpros.com/questions/1995-mitsubishi-eclipse-knocks-smokes

THE MEDIC