Idle surges

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Sorry I screwed up you disconnect the spout connector prior to starting engine make sure it's run with ignition and nothing else, set at 10 btdc then rshut off engine and reconnect spout. Then verify engine advances beyond initial setting. But your truck has to be over 8500lbs gvw and have eecIV if it's eecV then it's non adjustable. The only thing I can think of is the armature is on backwards and I dont' know how that could happen. I think that is what you call the stator
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Shold be apic with this as I didn't see it in last reply
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JAY ADKINS
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I've done everything except put a light on it, but it's no where near close enough to even put a light on it. I got it running, but it jerks and increases speed very slowly. I actually took the dist. Out and moved it slightly past the number one plug, and it still does the same thing. It runs almost as bad as it does if you forget to take out the spout. Any suggestions on how to get it close enough to time with a light?
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Timing with a light I covered in the previous answer directly from the manual. You may have to get this scanned. The dist teeth aren't worn down are they?
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NICKEYJEAN
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When it is cold out my trucks idle goes up and down and almost dies.
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Does the problem go away when it gets warmed up after running?
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No the teeth are in good condition. Do you think the scanner at auto zone would work, or do you think I need to break down and take it into a shop? I really hate to do that, other than having a trans rebuilt when I was laid up with back surgery a few years ago, I haven't had to go to a garage since I was in high school.
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Yes
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It needs a pro type scanner as I mentioned in the previous answer as they can read by degrees. Auto zone scanners only read and erase codes nothing more. Besides the code they give may only be a code and not the actual problem that is wrong with the vehicle. What was the original code? If it was a misfire did you bother to check fuel pressure as low fp will give a misfire or lean condition code. Scanning and check fuel pressure should always be done prior to just changing parts, even if it is a n autozone type scanner.
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Yes the problem goes away when it has been running
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Sounds to me like a bad IAC or a throttle body full of build up. Clean the THrottle body, and if you can post back a picture of the IAC I can tell you if it is able to be cleaned or not. The pintle in it should be free moving and the housing of the IAC should not be scored nor should the IAC.

Also check the Coolant temp sensor.
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1992 F150 W/5.0L engine, 165,000 miles. Upon starting the truck there is no high idle. When left to idle it surges and sometimes dies. Sometimes have to hold accelerator to the floor to get it to restart. I drove it five miles and it died when I pulled into parking lot, but it starts right back up. Scanned it, but no codes. Changed fuel filter and I added Lucas fuel additive, heat and filled both tanks. I've only driven 10 miles since adding, so it probably hasn't had a chance to take affect yet. I sprayed for vacuum leaks, but may try that again. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!
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I would check the EGR valve. It can cause some of the problems that you are experiencing. You need to ensure that the valve opens and closes and is not stuck. This rascal should be located on the intake manifold.
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VANGREENE
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I have been fighting a idle speed problem for a long time. I can cold start the truck and it will idle at 1100 rpm until it warms up and the idle will go down to 750 rpm. It will idle at this rpm for a few minutes and then will go to 3000 rpm and I haven't touched the truck. The upper plenum body was leaking air and I replaced the gasket. I have replaced the throttle position sensor, the air bypass control valve twice and the map sensor. I have replaced the plugs, wires, cap and rotor. This is a new crate engine with 6000 mil;es. Could this be the o2 sensor? I thought about changing the computer but I couldn't find it under the dash. Please help
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Hello
Thanks for the donation.

The erratic idling is a symptom of a faulty idle air control valve. You say you already replaced this? It may also be a vacuum leak somewhere in the engine compartment. It is a new crate engine with 6k miles so I am guessing it was recently installed into your vehicle? If so then whoever installed the engine may have missed a vacuum hose somewhere.

Are there any engine codes popping up? If so, scan and post codes.. I do not believe the culprit is an O2 sensor, but if the problem does lie within the O2 sensor then the engine light would illuminate.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the response. I have replaced the idle air control valve twice. If it was a vacuum leak wouldn't it do it all the time? I disconnected the battery negative cable to reset the computer and restarted the engine. It will idle normally for a few minutes but seems to be running rough and then it's like the computer tells the air bypass valve to open and the idle goes to 3000 RPM to try and correct a bad fuel mixture or something. I don't have a device to check for codes but it seems like I going to need one. What do you recommend. Thanks for the help.
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Since you DO have codes on, the first thing to do is to get those codes. You can have your vehicle scanned for free at most local part stores such as AutoZone, O'Reilly Auto Parts and Advance Auto Parts. Since the issue is only itermittent then it does seem like it would be more on the electrical side then mechanical, ruling out the vacuum leak. Post the codes you receive and I will follow up.

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I went to advance to check the codes and was told they couldn't check any vehicle before 1996. I tried to purchase a code reader that was reliable and the only model they had that could read my 1991 truck was a model CP9015. I did a check and the codes were 53 which indicates a problem with thethrottle position sensor and 67 which I'm not sure about. I've already replaced the throttle position sensor could it be installed incorrectly?
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Van
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Idle is fluctuating at idle or in gear IAC motor, MAP sensor, O2 sensor all tested bad changed them. Cleaned TBI. PCV valve was plugged changed it. Wonder if it could be upper plunem gasket blown between ports?
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Great. Thanks for that info.
First off, the code 67 is - Neutral Drive Switch Circuit Open. This probably is indicating that the neutral drive safety switch is faulty and needs replaced. The purpose of the switch is to prevent activation of the starter (by creating an open circuit) when the transmission is in any gear other than P (park) or N (neutral).

Possible causes for the code 53 are the TPS is not seated properly, faulty TPS sensor (not likely since your sensor is new), faulty ECA, or VREF circuit shorted in vehicle harness. Double check the wiring and installation of the TPS and post your results. If you need some installation instructions for this component just let me know and I will post for you.

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