Whine/Buzz coming from Engine?

Tiny
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- Whine/buzz like a power steering pump low on fluid.
- Started about 2000mi ago
- Noise varies with engine speed. Same in all gears, park, neutral and reverse.
- No codes. Engine runs fine, good power, transmission shifts fine.
- Removed all belts (serpentine, AC and vacuum pump) - noise unchanged.
- Tested trans pressures with scan tool/pressure gauge as per shop manual - all good.
- Stethoscope indicated noise was coming from lower timing cover area.
- Tested oil pressure on scan tool and with manual gauge - 58psi @ 1000rpm, 65psi @ 2000rpms, 70psi @ 3,000 RPMs.
- Tested oil pressure solenoid on scan tool - open 276kPa closed 396kPa.
Saturday, January 4th, 2025 AT 7:28 AM

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Tiny
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It sounds like the oil pump has come apart internally which is common. This is why they are switching over to a belt driven pump in the newer engines. Can you please upload a short video of the noise so I can tell for sure? Here is the oil pump I am talking about. Check out the images (below). Please let us know what happens.
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 12:47 PM
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Hi Ken, thanks for the reply. I do not have a video of the sound. However it sounds just like this video at the 2:30 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EuXLIskQtY

I do have the oil pump and all timing gears out. Here is a link to a google drive with photos and videos of the pump, tensioner, chain, crank sprocket and actuator. I found no wear on the crank sprocket spline or oil pump spline receiver that I could detect with a fingernail. There is a video "crank sprocket to oil pump rotor 2" which shows the fit between two two parts. I would guess a machinist would say "sliding clearance fit" about 1 thou over.

For the various pump wear marks, I could not catch my fingernail on any of them. The wear in the picture "oil pump pressure adjust spring" is interesting to note. I could not find any broken parts in the pump.

Here is the link to all the pics and videos: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ziIZ0si_uYwt1Vn9obM7NbBE-gamIoCR

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ziIZ0si_uYwt1Vn9obM7NbBE-gamIoCR?usp=drive_link

Also there are two videos showing the timing chain slack on the actuator and crank sprockets. "actuator chain slack" and "crank sprocket chain slack 2"

The pictures "timing chain wear" and "timing chain wear 2" show some wear on one side of the chain that corresponds to the guide of the tensioner "tensioner guide"
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 1:44 PM
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Hi Ken, thanks for the reply.

I do not have a video of the sound, as the engine is apart now. However, it sounds like this video "buzz sound" at the 2:30 mark. Note, this is not my vehicle, and I do not have this code.

Here is a link to a google drive with photos and videos of the pump, tensioner, chain, crank sprocket and actuator. I found no wear on the crank sprocket spline or oil pump spline receiver that I could detect with a fingernail. There is a video "crank sprocket to oil pump rotor 2" which shows the fit between two parts. I would guess a machinist would say "sliding clearance fit" about 1 thou over.

For the various pump wear marks, I could not catch my fingernail on any of them. The wear in the picture "oil pump pressure adjust spring" is interesting to note.

Also, there are two videos showing the timing chain slack on the actuator and crank sprockets. "Actuator chain slack" and "crank sprocket chain slack 2"

The pictures "timing chain wear" and "timing chain wear 2" show some wear on one side of the chain that corresponds to the guide of the tensioner "tensioner guide".
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 1:49 PM
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Here is the video of the buzz sound. Not mine but sounds just like this. From 2:10-2:50
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 2:01 PM
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Picture of timing chain wear.
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 2:04 PM
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Crank sprocket to oil pump rotor fitment.
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 2:06 PM
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The oil pump.
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 2:11 PM
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Video showing chain slack on actuator.
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 2:13 PM
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I did not see any broken parts in the pump. Anything special I should look for?
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Sunday, January 5th, 2025 AT 2:14 PM
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I think you found it with the loose gear on the crank sprocket to oil pump rotor fitment. Nice work. Also, change the oil and filter that should fix it.
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Monday, January 6th, 2025 AT 9:50 AM
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Okay, thanks Ken!
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Monday, January 6th, 2025 AT 11:55 AM
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Let me know how it goes, I am interested.
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Tuesday, January 7th, 2025 AT 10:24 AM
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Hi Ken,

I am just installing a new timing chain and want to ensure I have it aligned correctly between cam and crank. The center hole on the tensioner is offset, so it is confusing me a little, and I would like a second opinion.

See video showing the alignment.
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Wednesday, January 8th, 2025 AT 12:08 PM
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Thanks for the video, yep that looks good. I would run it!
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Thursday, January 9th, 2025 AT 10:47 AM
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Hi Ken, I got the oil pump primed and installed. Installed timing cover, oil pan, vacuum pump and starter installed. Paid very special attention to the oil pan gaskets to make sure I did not knock them out during install.

Since there is no oil priming port on these Gen Vs (vacuum pump now covers it), I primed the engine by running flood clear mode. I attached an OTC manual pressure gauge to the engine and ran flood-clear for about 60 seconds until pressure showed on the gauge (around 20-30psi).

I then started the engine. Oil pressure is pretty darn high 70psi at idle cold. 0-20W oil, ambient temperature is about 40degF.

Previous oil pressure at idle was about 56psi cold same wight oil. Do you think the pressure will come down after the pump breaks in?
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Sunday, January 12th, 2025 AT 12:45 PM
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You might have an oil pressure solenoid that is clogged with metal from the old pump, did you look at it when it was apart, I should have said something before sorry about that. Also, is the noise gone?
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Monday, January 13th, 2025 AT 1:05 PM
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Hi Ken, I replaced the oil pressure solenoid along with the timing chain, and lower gear. I cleaned up the oil pan and timing cover area very well, so hopefully it was not clogged from anything there. Could the valve lifter oil filter screen, near the oil pressure sender at the top front of the engine potentially cause this? I did not replace it (yet).
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Monday, January 13th, 2025 AT 3:46 PM
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The oil pump has a pressure relief spring so it should regulate the MAX pressure, Is this a high volume oil pump replacement? I don't think a valve lifter can cause this, maybe try and running the engine more to see if it settles down. Also, is the noise gone?
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Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 AT 10:15 AM
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Hi Ken, it is a genuine GM OEM pump replacement, which is 2 stage. I did not install any kind of an upgraded pump. It is cold here, which can contribute to the high pressure. I have not yet run a full warm up cycle.

Since I don't have all the cooling system connected I did just a couple of short runs of the engine at idle. Unfortunately, the fans kick on full blast because the PCM detects a cooling system issue, so it is hard to tell if the noise is gone. I am slowly putting it all back together this week and will soon know.
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Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 AT 12:40 PM
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Sounds good, also, you may have a weak oil pressure sensor that shows more pressure than there actually is. Let me know how it goes.
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Wednesday, January 15th, 2025 AT 9:47 AM

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