Transmission fluid weird color

Tiny
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  • 2003 HONDA CIVIC
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I’m young and just traded my Ford for this car thinking it’s a great trade but after checking the transmission fluid I’m not so sure. Can I get away with a flush and not driving it or am I bumming? Can I still drive it here and there until I can get it flushed or don’t risk it?
Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 3:50 PM

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Tiny
DANNY L
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Hello, I'm Danny.

The fluid looks kinda burnt. Does it smell like it's burnt? If it's burnt it will do more damage by changing it.Once the fluid gets that way the friction material from the clutches stays in the fluid.After changing to fresh fluid usually the transmission will start slipping.Here is a transmission service tutorial if you want to change the transmission fluid:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-service-an-automatic-transmission

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any more questions about this.Thanks for using 2CarPros.
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 4:41 PM
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What does it look like on the dip stick? If it's foamy and light pink, the cooler built into the radiator might have corroded through. Antifreeze in the transmission fluid will melt the soft first layer of bushings, so the radiator must be replaced right away, then the transmission must be flushed to get the antifreeze out of it. Transmission fluid in the cooling system will rot the rubber radiator and heater hoses from the inside, but that will take some time.

If the fluid looks real dark and / or smells burned, the transmission was overheated at some point. If any damage done was minimal, you may get away with a simple fluid and filter replacement. That exchanges about half of the fluid. That is usually enough to replenish the additives. Overheated fluid can form varnish that can build up in the bores of the valve body, resulting in delayed shifts of even failure to shift.
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 4:44 PM
Tiny
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That's so not good. I’m going to go check if it smells burnt. If it’s burnt I’m just screwed? I can’t afford a transmission or even a rebuild. I should’ve just stuck with the ford, at least it didn’t have a trans problem. The Civic doesn’t slip.
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 4:59 PM
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Hi Danny. I've heard this warning before about slipping after a flush due to the friction material being torn off the plates. If that is what happens, wouldn't the slipping still occur with the old fluid? One person told me the friction material circulates with the fluid, but seems to me that would destroy the lip seals in the clutch packs. Chrysler had a problem with that when they developed lock-up torque converters in the mid 1970's. The clutch material apparently made it through the filter and tore up the seals.

My thought was people have their transmission flushed hoping to head off a problem when they start to notice symptoms, but no flush of filter change is going to fix mechanical damage that has already been done. When the symptoms get worse right after the flush, of course the flush gets the blame, but those symptoms had already been noticed, and they were going to get worse any way.

Half the people we talk to believe in the value of flushes and half don't want anything to do with them. My feeling is they aren't needed except right after fluid contamination, and for general maintenance, a filter and fluid change is sufficient. If symptoms have developed, the damage has been done and a flush isn't going to fix that.

I should qualify that. I remember GM having a lot of trouble in the 1970's that was solved with a filter replacement. As I recall, that caused delayed engagement into "drive" but it still shifted okay.
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 5:03 PM
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Yes, tThat is the risk that gets taken when the transmission is burnt. If the fluid is dirty that is one thing, But burnt transmissions 99% of the time will start slipping. I've seen it firsthand numerous times. I usually tend to tell people to be careful when their transmissions gets to that point.
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 5:16 PM
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I just smelt it and it smells kinda sweet but a little burnt. There is little black spots in it. Is that metal shavings?
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 5:17 PM
Tiny
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I do not know if you can tell.
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 5:19 PM
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Hello again.

How many miles on the transmission or mileage since last change?
Danny-
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 6:25 PM
Tiny
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Hello. Appreciate answering my questions. 170,000, unsure. I traded the car which was a mistake at this point. Definitely don’t want to get a flush, it doesn’t slip or anything. Should I just buy a filter and take the old fluid out with new fluid?
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Friday, March 27th, 2020 AT 6:29 PM
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Hello again.

The reason why all the quick lube places do a flush is so they don't have to remove the pan. They simply place the flush machine in line with the transmission cooler lines and just change the fluid leaving the old dirty filter in the transmission. The right way is to drop the pan change the filter and fluid. If you think the fluid doesn't smell burnt or feel gritty then you can change the fluid. However, If fluid smells burnt, service neglected or other internal transmission problems then be prepared to possibly experience slippage in the future. Hope this helps and thanks again for using 2CarPros.
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Saturday, March 28th, 2020 AT 5:46 AM
Tiny
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Hello again, I did a fluid change today and it was unremarkably black. I don’t think it’s been changed since the car was made and it’s 170,000. I put max life in it and drove it for awhile, seems to shift fine. Soon realizing I should’ve just left the black fluid in there at this point. How long would it take to notice if the new fluid is gonna ruin my transmission completely?
It is a Honda, should I do another fluid change if it doesn’t show any symptoms to get all of it out or don’t push my luck.
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Saturday, March 28th, 2020 AT 2:26 PM
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Hello again.

Yes, I would wait like a month before changing again. Just drive around for that length of time to see if any symptoms like slipping start to happen. Black is bad so I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Hope this helps and thanks again for using 2CarPros.
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Saturday, March 28th, 2020 AT 3:26 PM

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