Starting problem?

Tiny
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  • 2008 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX
  • 5.3L
  • V8
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 137,000 MILES
I'm having a start issue, so my problem is; I have all light power but once I turn to start the car it clicks only once. Then I check my battery. It's around 12.3V. All my door locks work as normal plus my factory alarm system will not crank up for nothing, only one click it's coming from the starter area. I thought changing back to my old ACDelco Starter it will crank but still only one click only. This all started after my oil pickup tube job. Once the job was completed my car started up immediately but once it idled for a while then drove around the corner it shut off and will not start back up. My light power is good, battery good, alternator good but starter area something not right and no it doesn't click, click it just clicks once. Never heard of this problem before.
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Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 11:04 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

What you described sounds like a weak connection. When this happens, do you notice the lights in the vehicle dim or go out for a second or two? If so, first confirm the battery terminals are clean and tight.

Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/everything-goes-dead-when-engine-is-cranked

If you replaced the pickup tube, I have a feeling the ground to the engine block wasn't properly tightened or connected. On the V8, it is on the rear of the engine block. See pic below.

Check that ground and let me know what you find.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below.
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Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 9:20 PM
Tiny
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Okay, thanks, I will try this.
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Wednesday, November 23rd, 2022 AT 1:36 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

You are very welcome. If you have a chance, let me know how things turn out. I'm hoping it's a simple ground issue.

Take care and I hope you have a great Thanksgiving tomorrow.

Joe
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Wednesday, November 23rd, 2022 AT 7:05 PM
Tiny
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It's something going on here to be honest I didn't check the ground issue yet but it smoke coming from the side of the starter smell like a wire somewhere causing my issue to not start, so I did all the basic to check to crank my car like replace battery it was dead tested at oreilly auto parts got another one still no crank, starter good its just a bad smell down there to be honest, heres a video of what its doing before I take off the cover below.I need all the help because it was fine before but after this oil pickup tube job im having major problems.
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Friday, November 25th, 2022 AT 1:04 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Did it ever start since the repair work was done? I hear the starter trying to engage. If you are smelling something burning, it certainly could be the starter. Keep in mind, the larger wire on the starter has 12v at all times. If the only time you see smoke is when starting it, check the smaller gauge purple wire on the starter. Make sure it isn't shorting to something. Also, how was the starter checked?

Listening to the video, it sounds like the circuit is complete and it should be working. Here is what I suggest:

1) Check the wires on the starter motor and make sure they are tight and not pinched or damaged in any way. Do the same with the battery. It looks like the terminals are new, but make sure the wiring that was installed on them is making good contact and tight.

2) Check to make sure nothing is preventing the engine from turning. See if you can turn it manually at the crankshaft using a socket and a breaker bar.

3) Remove the starter and have it bench-tested at a parts store. Most will do it free of charge.

If you have already done all of these things, let me know. Also, if you are seeing smoke, be careful. It can catch fire. Check to see if either of the battery terminals is hot.

I have a feeling either we have a loose connection, a bad starter, or the starter wasn't reinstalled correctly and is preventing the starter from turning.

Let me know.

Joe

I just watched the video again. I copied a portion of it and have attached it below. What am I looking at in this pic? Is that power to the starter? I can't tell for sure, but it looks like the positive cable goes from red to black. Let me know.
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Friday, November 25th, 2022 AT 7:47 PM
Tiny
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My car stated after the repair just shut off on me and would not start back up at all that's why I sent the video, I did have my battery checked founded out it was bad, so I got a replacement and still will not start up, that sound from the video is what it's doing now.
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Friday, November 25th, 2022 AT 9:27 PM
Tiny
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I get plenty of light power and everything else but will not crank back up for nothing.
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Friday, November 25th, 2022 AT 9:28 PM
Tiny
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Do me a favor. See if you can turn the engine by hand. Something may have come apart. Also, please be careful. Remember, the power from the battery to the starter is direct. There are no fuses. If it gets hot enough, it can catch fire.

Something isn't making sense. Chances are we are missing something simple. I assume the starter is tight. Also, when you had the oil pan off to replace the pick-up tube, did you remove the front timing chain cover to access the oil pump for anything?

It sounds like the engine is unable to turn. The starter is trying but can't turn it. That's why I'm suggesting you see if the engine turns by hand.

Let me know if you can turn it by hand. If you can, disconnect the negative battery terminal and remove and reinstall the starter to make sure it is going in correctly.

Joe
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Friday, November 25th, 2022 AT 9:37 PM
Tiny
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Yes, my car started fine once the job was completed, I even ran it for a while before driving it so the oil can pump up correctly, once car got warm up I drove it around the block not too far from home in case it shut off and what happen it did shut off and wouldn't start back up so I push it home and help for family since we was only one block from home, we did everything right expect touch the oil pump area since I only needed the pickup tube change with new material only. I hope my engine anti locked up due to this because we only change pickup tube with fresh oil, it ran fine but now it want start back up like I said before that sound you heard and plus a new battery I don't understand I will check the starter area again and all my connections because I was thinking on changing out the pump as well but I don't need because that wasn't my problem.
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Friday, November 25th, 2022 AT 10:06 PM
Tiny
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Going to change my oil pump ASAP.
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Saturday, November 26th, 2022 AT 12:02 PM
Tiny
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Need instructions on how to change the oil pump 5.3.
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Saturday, November 26th, 2022 AT 3:54 PM
Tiny
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Never mind my engine is over with its crazy because after the pickup tube job I should of install the oil pump as well. Just click from starter area and crank pulley it's hard to turn be hand. Looking into another engine I can't let my GXP go its darn near new brought it when it was 95,000 miles now, I'm at 137,000. It's just crazy how this job created this major problem. Is there no other step to turn that harmonic balancer?
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Saturday, November 26th, 2022 AT 6:34 PM
Tiny
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Hi:

Did the oil pump lock up? Also, were you able to turn the crank pulley at all? If you place a socket and breaker bar on the crank pulley, can you turn it?

Let me know. Hopefully, I can come up with a plan to save what you have unless you know the engine is locked up.

Take care,

Joe

PS: If you change your mind and want the oil pump replacement directions, let me know that as well.
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Saturday, November 26th, 2022 AT 9:03 PM
Tiny
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I will try and turn hopefully it will but what if it don't move once I do any other tips, I just don't understand how this could happen after a pickup tube change only, and we top it off with fresh oil plus oil pan screen.
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Saturday, November 26th, 2022 AT 10:55 PM
Tiny
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I'm wondering if something with the pump itself has jammed. Let me know if you are able to turn it with a breaker bar and we'll go from there. If you can, then we need to pull the starter again.

Let me know.

Joe
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Sunday, November 27th, 2022 AT 12:08 AM
Tiny
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Hey I'm sad I tryed with a breaker bar it want turn at all, I knew once I heard it sound funny once it was started to shut it off immediately, the oil light came one with the car I could of save it but instead I ran it and drove it that's when my car just die on me I'm not giving up on my car just other option to pull this engine out
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Sunday, November 27th, 2022 AT 10:09 AM

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