Rack and pinon steering shaft clocking off

Tiny
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  • 1996 CHEVROLET CAVALIER
  • 2.2L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 135,000 MILES
I procured a re-manufacture rack and pinon to replace original rack and pinon, but after centering steering position (both old and re-manufacture units), the re-manufacture steering shaft's clocking is off almost 90 degrees compared to original unit (using pinch bolt position as reference between the two units), which in turn throws the intermediate shaft's mounting position to column/steering wheel out of position also. So steering wheel will not be centered, with no alternative to re position steering wheel (like old-school days). I have wrenched on cars and trucks for fifty three years, plus twenty six years in parts department at GM dealerships to include complete ground-up restoration on a 1968 and 1969 Z28 Camaro. So I have a vast knowledge of autos, but in all those years I have never had to work on a rack and pinon. Is there a way to adjust the pinion shaft without going internally, or any other allowable adjustments (besides outer tie rods) to correct this problem? Or do I need to order another rack and pinon? This is already the second rack and pinon I have gotten. First one was no good. My luck has not been with me. Mark 1996 cavalier 2.2L (FE1 susp).
Monday, September 17th, 2018 AT 4:56 PM

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Tiny
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Do not over-think this. You are right about the adjustments at the tie rod ends. There are way more threads there than necessary to solve this.

I have a deep appreciation for your experience, but you did not mention anything about airbags. Please forgive me if I am discussing a subject you are familiar with, but it might be of value to others researching this topic. Cars with airbags have a clock spring under the steering wheel. That is a wound-up ribbon cable in a plastic housing. The cable eliminates the need to rely on a sliding contact at the instant you need that airbag to deploy. The important concern is that ribbon cable is just long enough to allow turning the steering system fully-right to fully-left, and very little more. Standard procedure is to center the steering wheel and lock it there with the ignition switch or a rope, rubber strap, etc., so it cannot rotate. Now remove and replace the rack assembly with the new one also centered. You can easily twist the input shaft a quarter turn without causing a problem. Once installed while it was centered, the rack will limit how many revolutions the steering wheel, and clock spring, can be rotated, so you will not be able to extend the ribbon cable beyond its limits. If that were to happen due to something being not centered during the installation, the clock spring could be turned one revolution too far to the right, or one revolution too far to the left. In one case the cable will become tight and get torn off on one end. That would show up instantly as the "airbag" warning light stays on, and the horn and cruise control would be dead. In the other case the cable will unwind too far, then fold over on itself. That would not show up for a while until that flexing finally caused the cable to crack apart. That could take days or months to show up.

The second issue has to do with the orientation of the flat spot on the splined input shaft. GM had a huge problem with their steering gears starting in the mid 1980's, called "morning sickness" because that is the only time most problems first showed up. GM's fix under warranty was to replace the spool valve which includes that splined input shaft. There are four Teflon rings that would leak and let pressurized power steering fluid bypass the power piston instead of push on it. The symptom always was loss of power assist in only one direction, for the first few seconds when the cold engine was started. Power assist would return very soon.

Over the course of a few weeks, that loss of power assist became longer and longer. Hot power steering fluid was needed to make those sealing rings expand, then the power assist would return. If you put up with this for up to a few months, the same problem would occur when turning the other direction. Eventually it would get bad enough that power assist would never return. The actual cause of this fluid leakage was not addressed by the warranty repair. Grooves were being ground into the soft aluminum housing where the Teflon rings were supposed to seal against. They wanted the spool valve/rings to be replaced, and did not care about the grooves. It took one of the nation's premier aftermarket re-builders to come up with the permanent fix. They bored out the cylinder, then pressed in a stainless steel liner for the rings to seat against. GM's only concern was to get the cars out of the 50,000 mile warranty period. After that, when the problem occurred again, as they all did, it was up to the car owner to pay for the proper repair which was to replace the entire steering gear.

Where this story has relevance is you asked about reorienting that input shaft. Replacing the spool valve was done from under the dash, without removing the rack assembly from the car. This was described to me by a former coworker who had worked at a GM dealership during this time period. He said you only needed to rotate the shaft by hand and let the pinion gear push the new spool valve back out, then turn it one or two teeth one way or the other, as necessary, to again have a straight steering wheel. You should be able to do the same thing after removing the snap ring. You will have the advantage of not slobbering power steering fluid inside the car.

Some of the people at the rebuilder shops can be quite conscientious, but not always the best-trained. The person who assembled the rack you got might have thought close enough was good enough when he stuffed the spool valve in. Remember, you can make up that difference at the tie rod ends during the alignment. There is no high point in a rack and pinion assembly like there is with the recirculating ball steering gear box. Any point along the rack can be the center point without causing it to want to fall to one side or the other. What you could lose is the ability to turn fully to both sides equally. You might get two steering wheel revolutions to full-right and two and a quarter to full-left. For that matter, did you check the old one before you removed it? It is just as likely your new one is right and the spool valve in the old one was wrong. The clue would be to look at the shiny and rusty threads on the old inner tie rod ends and see if both had the same number of threads engaged with their outer tie rod ends. It is common to find roughly 27 to 29 threads engaged. If one was 35, for example, and the other one was 20, that would point to the old steering gear as the one with the problem.

As a side note, as the only steering, suspension, and alignment specialist at a very nice family-owned dealership for ten years, I replaced a lot of rack assemblies on new and trade-in cars. I never once counted the exact number of turns of the input shaft like you are doing. All I ever did was check that both accordion boots over the inner tie rod ends were extended an equal amount, then I turned the input shaft to match the steering coupler. Had I received a rack assembly with the issue you are worried about, I would never have known it. I am happy you are concerned enough to ask, but you do not really have a problem.

If you are unlucky enough to have a damaged clock spring, and if you need advice on replacing it, you can check out this article:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/steering-wheel-clock-spring-removal

Or you can go to the top right of this page and click on "Repair Guides" to see the other articles available.
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Monday, September 17th, 2018 AT 9:18 PM
Tiny
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Before I dive into issue number two, I wanted to take a moment to say, "my hat's off to you sir" for sharing with me your knowledge, experience and insight in educating me. I have always hungered for knowledge and the mechanics in how it works, to this day. For the most part, I like a challenge and to be challenged (there are definitely those days though). Also, thanks for the compliment, even though I am DIY. That was admirable of you. Lastly, one of my primary reasons for leaving GM, was hearing the under handed tactics through most, if not all dealers and manufacture's, and it felt uncomfortable, let's say, and it burned me out to work automotive anymore. Okay, issue number two: A neighbor/friend came to help me steady the other end of the rack as I guided it back through from driver's side. Well, long story short, he accidentally knocked it off my workmate bench and hit the ground. Of course, the hard lines got tweaked at their fittings. But the lines on my old rack were perfect. I also tested lock-to-lock a few times for smoothness equally and any leaks. So I am going to swap LT & RT cylinder lines. Already removed good lines from old, but before I remove bent lines from re-manufactured unit, I wanted to check with you first that I am not proceeding down the wrong path. I know that the system needs to be contaminant free after opening it, and the o-rings replaced. Are there certain steps you recommend? I will await your suggestions before I continue. Thanks Caradiodoc.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2018 AT 3:02 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I submitted a question last night to Caradiodoc and no reply yet. I stated that I would await his answer before I continued. Unfortunately, I can no longer hold off from working on vehicle. I know you state it could take 24-48 hours for a reply, but today I received a notice from property management (HOA) giving me 72 hours to finish repairing vehicle or have it removed from my parking space, so as you can see, time has become my worst enemy. This has now turned into a crisis situation. I need anyone with experience in this field to reply ASAP. Along with this additional question. I cannot get the fittings on the cylinder lines to break loose from spool valve housing. I have and used high quality line wrenches it still rounded over fitting. I sprayed PB blaster penetrating oil and allowable time for it to penetrate before attempting to loosen, six times. Still no luck. I cannot apply enough force since fitting nut is now rounded, do not want to destroy or distort it, and crescent wrench or vise-grips or channel locks is out of the question. Only thing left that I know of, is to apply heat or air-hammer with flat-blade tip. My concern is too much heat could wind up melting o-rings on spool vlv and hard lines. All I have is MAP gas which burns hotter than butane. What other tools or methods will work? Actually, I do not care if fitting nut gets destroyed, as long as the threads inside the housing do not get ruined in any way. I have a good replacement line. Please reply back promptly from anyone in this field. Thanks
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Sunday, September 23rd, 2018 AT 8:57 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Sorry that for some reason I never received a message that you replied. It is best to keep re-posting to the same thread to maintain continuity. That insures I will get the notice of your reply.

Since you have a new line, I approach this by cutting the steel line right above the soft metal nut, then using a six-point socket and ratchet. MAP gas, and even acetylene is not a good choice because the aluminum will suck the heat away as fast as you can put it in. If you can get the nut red-hot with a pencil-point flame to keep the heat on just the nut, then quench it with cold water, that will often shock the nut and crack the threads loose.

The only o-ring you might damage is on the end of the steel line. There should be a new o-ring on the new hose. The rings on the spool valve are steel. You will not hurt those. Even the rubber seal on top is very unlikely to be damaged. You just cannot get that much heat up there.
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