Rear defroster and heated mirrors do not work?

Tiny
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My rear defroster and heated mirrors don't work. The light on the switch doesn't come on.
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Sunday, November 20th, 2022 AT 9:24 PM

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Tiny
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Note: fuse 15 has no power to it.
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Sunday, November 20th, 2022 AT 10:00 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I'm not sure where fuse 15 is, but I believe you meant fuse 56 which is a 15-amp fuse. If that is incorrect, let me know.

Now, if you have power at all fuses except 56, the problem either is the relay isn't being actuated due to a power or ground issue or there is a splice in the wiring to the fuse which may have failed.

Here is what I need you to do. Take a look at the schematic you sent, and I attached below. Remove the relay. Once the relay is removed, check connector pins 1 and 3 for battery voltage. With the key on, pin 1 will have power. Pin 3 will be hot at all times.

If both have power, the next thing to check is pin 2 for a ground path when the defroster is turned on. If there is no ground, the relay will not work, and power won't be sent.

If there is ground, as a test, take a jumper wire and jump pins 3 and 5. That should turn on the defroster by manually bypassing the relay. When you do this, confirm if there is power to fuse 56. If there still isn't, we need to check the splice.

If there is no ground, we have an issue with the defroster module.

Let me know if this helps or if you have questions. Also, here is a link you may find helpful and of interest:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

Let me know what you find.

Joe

Note: I attached three pics below all from the same page. I did this so they are readable, and you can follow them. I have arrows pointing to the power flow and highlighted areas of interest.
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Monday, November 21st, 2022 AT 8:03 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe, the 15 is the F56 fuse that has no power to it. Pin 1 and 3 have power and pin 5 is grounded. The question I have now is testing them. I couldn't find my good testing light and used an old one. I had tester on battery positive and touched pin 2 and could hear a small solenoid click each touch and then it stopped clicking? I found my good tester and the pin 2 when tester on positive it shows a very small green flashing light in it not the bright green when on a ground. I don't know if it means anything.
The relay for defroster is one of 10 in the box so I just switched them. The 15-amp fuse still has no power. I didn't get to the jumper wire but will do that tomorrow.
What and where is the defroster module? What do they cost? If I end up trying to find the splice, would it be under the fuse-relay box? I'll do the jumper wire but I'm just curious about the other possibilities.
The attached is a picture of the air ride system it has and wiring like that scares me but just throwing it out for knowledge. I've only had the truck for 3 weeks.
Thanks for everything now go have a drink of your preferred beverage.
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Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 3:12 PM
Tiny
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The wiring in the pic doesn't appear to be factory. Is this something that was added? Also, when you check the ground, do you mean the test light bulb was dim and flashing? Was it a steady flashing or did it seem like it could be a poor connection?

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 6:50 PM
Tiny
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No, not an OEM it's for an air ride system which works great but if you zoom in on the picture it has one red wire and one fusible link not attached and asked Ford dealership, I bought it from, and shop mechanic said the did some rewire.
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Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 7:55 PM
Tiny
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Sorry hit send, rewiring and everything was fine and probably is just mention if as last resort.
My test light when put on battery positive and turns bright red showing power and touch ground it shows bright green and the pin 2 showed a constant tiny green flashing not dim but different area on the bulb which is only one bulb total, no idea what that means and didn't know it could even do it.
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Tuesday, November 22nd, 2022 AT 8:19 PM
Tiny
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Joe, I did the jumper wire (paperclip) and no light on the rear defroster but on the paperclip when touching I saw a small spark less than a static spark. I put a video showing the small green flashing light. Let me know what you recommend next.
Thanks again
Phil
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Wednesday, November 23rd, 2022 AT 12:06 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I'm not familiar with your test light, but it appears that you are receiving a very weak ground. Now we need to determine if the problem is at the module, the grid, or if we simply have a wiring issue.

So, disconnect the EMTC (electronic manual temperature control) module and check for continuity in the wire. If it checks good, with the module still disconnected, check the continuity between the module and the white wire with an orange tracer at the window grid connector.

If the wiring is good, go to the grid connector, and confirm continuity between the white/orange wire on the grid and ground. If that is good, suspect the module.

I need to know two things. First, does the vehicle have factory navigation? Also, is the rear window a slider? If it is a slider, check the connectors at the grid to make sure they are not damaged. I'm starting to see them fail/break on the window grid connector pins.

Let me know so I can get you the correct location of the module.

Take care and I hope you have a good Thanksgiving.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, November 23rd, 2022 AT 8:22 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,
Can you tell me if this is the module you are talking about?
Thank's
Phil
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Thursday, December 1st, 2022 AT 8:19 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

It's difficult to know what you are looking at in the pic. Here is the part number from my manual:

Ford part number 19980.

To replace the part, it is located at the top of the dash. I attached directions below for replacement.

Let me know how things are going.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.
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Friday, December 2nd, 2022 AT 8:32 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,

I have a bunch of questions.

I found the correct part I believe, do you have a guess what Ford dealer would charge to reprogram the HVAC module if I replace it.

Would the HVAC module send the power to the fuse 56 the 15 amp one that has no power? If not, what sends the power to it?

Would the defroster light on the defrost button come on if there's a problem with the rear window grid?
The cost of the part is no problem if I think it will fix it.

On a funny note, I started out in the automotive field in 1972 - 1977 and we had nothing like this as you know. So, I haven't kept up to date so please bare with me and I appreciate the help.
Thanks,
Phil
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Friday, December 2nd, 2022 AT 10:37 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I wasn't far behind. I started in 1982. LOL As far as keeping up is concerned, it's nearly impossible. As far as replacing the module, yes it needs to be reconfigured to match your vehicle.

The fuse you indicated not having power will not get it until the rear defroster relay is actuated. Once the relay switch is closed, power is then sent through the fuse to the grid.

Let me know if that helps. Also, please understand that not being there makes this difficult for me. I always second-guess myself because I didn't physically do the testing. My suggestions are based on theory. Especially in this case where you need to get a module. I'm not a person that likes spending other people's money.

Regardless, let me know how things work out for you.

Take care,

Joe
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Saturday, December 3rd, 2022 AT 8:04 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,

I haven't given up it's been crazy (Minnesota) with the snow and now below zero weather coming, and the worst part is the truck is about a foot too long to fit into my garage.
I do have a question on a tool to reprogram for the module on my truck and possibly for an electric power rack and pinion for a 2011 Focus.
I'm looking for something around $300.00 and will rarely use it but I like tools. What would you recommend? I have Android tablets and good Windows laptop or do you recommend a standalone unit? I looked on Amazon at a Launch brand?
Thanks,
Phil
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Sunday, December 18th, 2022 AT 8:12 PM
Tiny
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Sorry not Focus it's a Fusion. Recall on it is not an option. 300,000 miles on it.
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Sunday, December 18th, 2022 AT 8:15 PM
Tiny
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We can handle one question per car, this is a new vehicle. Please post your new question here, you must be logged in.

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/new

Cheers, Ken
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Monday, December 19th, 2022 AT 11:50 AM
Tiny
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This was not a question on a different car it was a question on a tool to program the ECM on the truck the question was from, and I wanted to make sure it works for the process on the Fusion (electric power steering) ECM programming. Please let me know if this was an incorrect question.
Thanks,
Phil
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Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 AT 7:18 AM
Tiny
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I see, if the scanner has a full CAN controller scan and is bi-directional it should work. Please let us know if you need anything else to fix the problem.
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Tuesday, December 20th, 2022 AT 11:57 AM

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