PO135 will not go away after reinstalling new O2 Sensor

Tiny
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  • 1997 FORD EXPEDITION
  • 5.4L
  • V8
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 270,000 MILES
I received PO135 and replaced sensor on bank 1 sensor 1. After installing new sensor and resetting code with my scan tool. Sensor has come back. What would be cause other than sensor? Thank you.
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Monday, September 28th, 2015 AT 12:27 PM

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Tiny
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P0135 - Oxygen Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

Actually, the sensor is the last suspect for this fault code. It's much more common to find a corroded connector terminal or a wiring harness that fell down onto hot exhaust parts and a wire melted through and is grounded. Electrical tests will show if the internal heater circuit is working, and a scanner will show if the sensor's output is switching from "rich" to "lean" properly.
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Monday, September 28th, 2015 AT 3:04 PM
Tiny
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What is the fuse that relates to bank 1 sensor 1? Thanks.
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Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 AT 12:22 PM
Tiny
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Fuse 24, a 30 amp in the fuse box under the hood feeds the oxygen sensor heaters, but we know that is okay. It feeds all the oxygen sensors, the backup lights, and a whole bunch of other circuits. If that fuse was blown, you'd have a lot more problems than just this one fault code.
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Wednesday, September 30th, 2015 AT 7:49 PM
Tiny
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I could not directly test connector. So I took an old o2 sensor and cut the wire close to sensor and connected it to connector so I could extend my multi-meter to reach test terminals. I connected the other wire of multi-meter to ground of battery. I got connection from gray wire and current from one of white wires. But nothing from other white and black wire. Where could my problem be? Thanks.

P.S. If push come to shove what is it all I have to do to go way up to engine area to replace connector or wire.
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Sunday, October 4th, 2015 AT 3:03 PM
Tiny
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Problems with the wiring harness are almost always found through visual inspection. The common things are corrosion or spread terminals in a connector, the harness fell down onto hot exhaust parts and the insulation melted allowing wires to touch each other or the hot pipe or sharp bracket, the wires were chewed on by a mouse, or the harness got hooked on something like a tree branch and tugged apart. There are no splices to corrode on most cars so even if water were to get under the plastic wrap, nothing would happen.

Less common is a wire harness gets crushed by a pry bar or other tool when doing other work in the area, such as replacing a rack and pinion steering gear.

The wires on the sensor side of the connector aren't standardized so you can't say the gray wire is for this and the white wires are for that. On the harness side, it's a different story. You'll have a red wire which is the 12 volt feed for the heaters for all four sensors, and the feed for a lot of other stuff. That circuit does have a few splices, but it's not common for just one wire to corrode away from all the others.

The yellow / blue wire gets grounded through the Engine Computer to turn on the heater. Each other oxygen sensor has its own separate wire for the same function. That's were the computer monitors heater current and can tell on which wire no current is flowing. That's how it knows which sensor to set a fault code for. That wire goes to pin 94 of the computer. To test in this circuit, you need to have the ignition switch on. What I would do is back-probe through the rubber weather-pack seals on the harness side of the connector. A stretched-out paper clip usually makes a good probe. Start on the red wire. You should find 12 volts there. If you do, we can move on. If you do not, there's a better than even chance the paper clip isn't making contact with the terminal in the connector.

If you absolutely can't find 12 volts on the red wire, unplug the connector, then measure on the terminal directly. If you do have 12 volts, test on the yellow. Blue wire. (If you unplugged the connector, you have to plug it back in to test on the yellow / blue wire. The voltage gets there through the sensor). This one is supposed to be grounded, but the clue to interpreting the results is you typically will not find 0.0 volts. Due the resistance of the monitoring circuitry in the computer, you can expect to find from 0.2 to perhaps as much as 1.0 volt. If you find 0.0 volts, it's a good bet one of those pair of terminals isn't making contact. If you find 12 volts, that wire isn't getting grounded. There's three possible reasons for it to not be getting grounded. One is there's a break in that yellow / blue wire. The second is there's a defect in the switching circuit inside the computer. That's pretty rare. The third is those heater circuits only get grounded when the engine is running. There is no need for oxygen sensor heaters when you're just listening to the radio with the ignition switch on, so they often will not turn on many circuits until they're needed to prevent running the battery dead. If you do find 12 volts on the yellow / blue wire, start the engine and see if it drops to around 1.0 volt or less. If it does not, most likely there is a break in that wire. To verify that, you'd need to back-probe and measure on the other end of that wire, (at the computer, pin 94).

Based on which voltages you find at various places, we should be able to figure out why this code is setting.
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Monday, October 5th, 2015 AT 8:24 PM
Tiny
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Before I go any further, can you please confirm which side bank 1 sensor 1 is located thank you.
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Sunday, October 18th, 2015 AT 8:59 PM
Tiny
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Bank 1 is driver's side; bank 2 is the passenger side. Sensor 1 is before the catalytic converter and measures the mixture, (rich and lean), that switches back and forth about two times per second. Sensor 2 is right after the converter and measures the mixture after the converter has cleaned up the exhaust. It typically switches between rich and lean once per minute or two. When a converter stops working, there's no change in the makeup of the exhaust gas so both sensors 1 and 2 will switch at the same rate, about twice per second. That faster switching rate of the second sensor is what triggers fault codes related to catalytic converter efficiency.
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Monday, October 19th, 2015 AT 7:14 PM
Tiny
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It turns out my bank 1 is on my passenger side. That upstream o2 sensor was bad and after replacing it and driving around without resetting "check engine". It went off after driving for few hours. Thanks.
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Sunday, October 25th, 2015 AT 9:13 PM
Tiny
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Happy to hear it's solved. The diagnostic fault code should have been erased when the sensor was replaced, otherwise the code will stay in memory, and that will confuse the issue for the next person who needs to read codes. The code is still there even though the Check Engine light went off.

There's three things I can think of related to where that sensor is located. The first is there are some aftermarket scanners that have a software glitch that mixes up the left and right sides. As far as I know, however, that only applies to some GM models and their anti-lock brake sensors. The second concern is there are some Ford models that use the same connector design and shape for the left and right sides, and the wires are long enough to switch from side to side. You can have the left harness plugged into the right sensor, but that usually causes other problems too. The third is just that Ford has always done everything differently than most other manufacturers, such as cylinder numbering, and they may indeed call the passenger side bank 1. At this point it's not important as long as the engine is running okay.
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Sunday, October 25th, 2015 AT 10:01 PM
Tiny
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Thank you. I will out od2 scanner to see if code is gone.
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Sunday, October 25th, 2015 AT 10:55 PM

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