Dash not indicating when transmission is in park or neutral

Tiny
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  • 2000 HONDA ACCORD
  • 3.0L
  • V6
  • FWD
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After replacing passenger top motor mount, driver transmission mounts (2 front and rear), replacing steering rack, left and right struts, ball joints upper and lower, outer tie rod ends, and obviously to do all this I had to drop front sub-frame, drop exhaust (manifold, resonator and pipe etc.) And steering fluid lines, brake stuff, etc.

Once reassembled, properly installed and everything properly torqued car doesn't start, doesn't even engage solenoid or starter motor. Problem appears to be related to auto trans start lockout function! Appears, as per observation below, that the lockout controlling mechanism does not recognize gear selector position properly.

To my knowledge nothing I have done should have caused this. Car worked perfectly, with respect to this function/feature, for nearly 10 years of our ownership. Confused. Please help.

When key inserted, dash indicator lights appropriately light up, key turns as required; however, car does start. Doesn't crank. Note: if in Park or Neutral, gear selector indicator does not light/indicate either of those two positions is currently selected. When D3, 2, Or first is selected dash indicator will either light the appropriate selector Or light the selection and the selection for D4 will flash. When D4 is selected dash indicator light (D4) will either be on solid by itself Or flash without any of the other gear indicators on. Park and Neutral do not light at any time -even when manually selected from underneath the car with linkage cover removed and using hand to manually move through the gear selection positions and stopping in each position with key on and parking gear lock manually disengaged.

FYI: battery known good and fully charged, polarity checked and correct, available voltage & current appropriate etc.


Observations:

Transmission gear indicator not indicate in (Park), doesn't indicate (Neutral) when known and manually verified in those positions from under car w-shifting cover off and manually operating/moving linkage to verify it's proper operation and position (you know removed linkage to drop sub frame to replace steering rack - steering column too. D4 light flash, not light in R or N, lights in D3, 2, and 1.
Tuesday, January 27th, 2015 AT 8:33 PM

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Tiny
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You will need to check the neutral safety switch it's mounted on the transmission where your manual shifting the transmission at the end of the shift cable. You may have pulled the wiring connector loose or might need to try and realign it. If that doesn't work you may have to replace it so it will start in neutral and park.
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Tuesday, January 27th, 2015 AT 10:29 PM
Tiny
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As it turns out a couple things of concern. First either my memory or the memory of the gentleman who was helping me get started reveals a bit of a lapse - critical albeit. Lol. One of us dion nectar two electrical plugs on driver's side of dash (behind a pear shaped panel wherein electrical on nectar and fuses are located). Once I made that discovery and performed the subsequent reconnecting of said cables all was right with the Honda world. Dash indicators worked, car started and ran!

However, the second issue is of greater concern. In the process of diagnosing the issue a check of the transmission end of the shift cable (again a V6 3.0 w-another 4 speed transmission) confirmed my recollection that the cable was completely mechanical. No electronic sensing device present. My assumption at that point was the position sensing device must be in the passenger compartment attached in some fashion to the shifter/cable.

I reviewed parts listing for a Honda 2000 Accord V6 auto transmission and sure enough the only part listing I could find showed it to be located -as you indicated - at the end of the cable beneath a cover fastened to transmission by three bolts. Hmm.
Further review of online info including YouTube video revealed same thing you described.

For the record what do you think is going on? We have owned the car for 10 years no wrecks no engine/transmission changes. Why the obvious radical difference -admittedly the car is and was functioning properly. Mid-year change over? I can't find reference to it anywhere.

I know 2009 Accord had a mid-year change over with the rear brakes being changed to those used on 2010 model. Although parts books don't all reflect that possibility. (We have one, I learned when I Changed brakes.)

Two points for your future client related problem questions:

- if/when no Park / Neutral dash indicator yet other dash indicators work/light there are (3) possibilities: blown lights - unlikely if more than one not lit; more than one light out may indicate probable electrical issue - ie. Plug loose/disconnected (as you noted) or position sensor bad;

- in event D4 indicator is flashing that is the equivalent of the "check engine" warning indicator - in this case either open circuit - connector unplugged OR as I believe is also possibly true, flashing may also indicate position sensor detects a 'miss-aligned' sensor (incorrectly replaced on shafts not corresponding to ECU/TCS expectations) need to remove & remount so position indicator reflect transmission gear shaft's actual position.

- FYI for those who don't already know (I didn't) a flashing dash gear indicator supposedly is a warning of a transmission issue/problem including, but not limited to a "low transmission fluid" condition - according to what I have just learned.

According to what I found in the process of my search/diagnosis at least two other possibilities exist: bad ignition switch & the key's ID chip is bad or ECU may need to be resync'd with the key to permit key to start car.

Is any of this accurate?

Any idea's why my 2000 Accord V6 does not have transmission gear sensor located at transmission end of shifter cable?
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Wednesday, January 28th, 2015 AT 3:41 PM
Tiny
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This issue is caused by what is called the transmission range sensor. Basically it tells the PCM that the vehicle is in park or neutral and is okay to start. When this is not hooked up or not giving a good signal then the car will not start and the P and N will not light up.

I would suggest you go back and double check your work to make sure this is not unhooked. If it is not then we need replace it and then retest the issue.

Please let me know if you have questions and we can go from there. Thanks
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Monday, March 30th, 2020 AT 6:43 PM

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