Input/out speed sensor location on the truck

Tiny
FREDERICK BLACKETT
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  • 2006 DODGE DAKOTA
  • 3.7L
  • 6 CYL
  • 4WD
  • MANUAL
  • 130 MILES
Doesn't allow smooth change from third gear to second gear unless the vehicle is slowed down to 4 mph or it scratches as described by a mechanic on YouTube. Sometimes it's just a faulty speed sensor and you would have sworn your whole transmission would need a rebuild. So I decided to buy a sensor and try it out, to see if it would elevate the problem. But I cannot find the sensor location as said to be on the left hand side of the transmission. The only thing there on this model is the clutch input module.
Wednesday, January 8th, 2020 AT 8:30 AM

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Tiny
ASEMASTER6371
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Good afternoon,

There was a TSB for erratic shifting which I posted. It was all about the filter mounting.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/automatic-transmission-problems

As far as the sensors, no. If there was an issue with the sensor they would code.

It could be a shift solenoid but that would also code.

Do you have any codes stored?

Roy

NUMBER: 21-007-06

GROUP: Transmission

DATE: April 07, 2006

THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 21-016-05, DATED SEPTEMBER 01, 2005, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. THIS IS A COMPLETE REVISION AND NO ASTERISKS HAVE BEEN USED TO HIGHLIGHT REVISIONS.

SUBJECT:
RFE Transmission Filters - Delayed Engagement And Related Transmission DTC'S

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves verifying the build date of the transmission, and if necessary, the replacement of both the cooler return and sump filters in the transmission.

MODELS:

2005 - 2006 (DR) Ram Truck 2005 - 2006 (HB) Durango 2005 - 2006 (KJ) Liberty / Cherokee 2005 - 2006 (ND) Dakota 2005 - 2006 (WK / WH) Grand Cherokee 2006 (XK) Commander

NOTE:
This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with the a 45RFE or a 545RFE automatic transmission (sales code DG4 or DGQ respectively) having a specific transmission build date code (see the below DIAGNOSIS section for further details).

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:

The customer may experience an initial delayed shift engagement following an extended off (not running) period of time, generally after being parked overnight. The initial shift engagement may feel like a delay or slip when a transmission gear (reverse or drive) is first selected after engine start.

The customer may also experience a MIL illumination. Investigation may determine that the MIL is due to one or more of the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DIG's):

P0868 - Line Pressure Low. This DIG will be the most frequently occurring DTC for the delayed shift condition.

P0944 - Loss Of Hydraulic Pump Prime.

P0731 - Gear Ratio Error In 1st.

P0736 - Gear Ratio Error In Reverse.

P0841 - LR Pressure Switch Rationality.

P0876 - UD Pressure Switch Rationality.

The delayed engagement and MIL condition (DTC's) may be caused by a suspect transmission cooler return filter with a part number of 04799662AB. A suspect 04799662AB cooler return filter may cause the transmission sump filter to split at its plastic-to-metal crimp. If the transmission sump filter becomes split at the crimp, then one or more of the above DTC's may also occur.

DIAGNOSIS:

1. Turn the ignition to the "OFF" position.

2. Raise the vehicle on a suitable lift.

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3. Inspect for the transmission build date (Julian date) (Fig. 1). The transmission build date can be determined by inspection of the 20 digit transmission identification number (DDDYxxxxxPpartnumber). The transmission identification number is stamped on the left side (driver side) of the transmission oil pan flange. The first four (4) digits of the transmission identification number are the transmission build date, in Julian date format. An example of a transmission identification number would be 101510492P52119684AA. The first three digits ( 101 ) of the identification number equal the day of the year, in this case 101 equals April 11. The fourth digit ( 5 ) of the identification number equals the calendar year, in this case 5 equals 2005. So 1015 equals April 11, 2005.

4. Determine if the vehicle's transmission was built on or between one of the two sets of Julian date build ranges listed below:

a. Julian date 0425 (February 11, 2005) to Julian date 0455 (February 15, 2005). 0425 to 0455.

b. Julian date 1015 (April 11, 2005) to Julian date 2345 (August 22, 2005). 1015 to 2345.

5. If the vehicle has the above condition, and if the transmission Julian build date is on or between the range of dates listed above, perform the Repair Procedure.

NOTE:
Both the transmission cooler return filter and the transmission sump filter MUST BE replaced at the same time.

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PARTS REQUIRED:

NOTE:
DO NOT use a replacement cooler return filter with a part number of 04799662AB. This filter is suspect of causing the above condition. The cooler return filter part number is stenciled on the side of the filter's metal case.

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SPECIAL TOOLS/EQUIPMENT REQUIRED:

REPAIR PROCEDURE:

NOTE:
All cooler return filters with the "AB" suffix (04799662AB) are suspect. The above condition may be corrected by replacing a suspect "AB" filter with a new cooler return filter whose part number is 04799662 (with no suffix or with a suffix that is other than the "AB" level), and a new sump filter.

NOTE:
BOTH the sump oil filter and the cooler return filter MUST BE replaced in the transmission at the same time. Do not replace one filter without also replacing the other filter.

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NOTE:
A replacement 04799662 cooler return filter may come packaged with a separate threaded adapter stud. The threaded adapter stud is used to attach the cooler return filter to the transmission. Inspect the stud and note end without threads. Install the stud end without the threads into the cooler return filter and tighten the stud-to4ilter connection to 18.6 Nm (165 in.lbs.). Once the threaded adapter stud has been installed to the cooler return filter, install the assembled cooler return filter to the transmission and tighten the filter to 14.1 Nm (125 in.lbs.)

Use the procedures outlined in TechCONNECT(R) (Service Information Tab / 21 - Transmission Transaxle / Automatic - 45RFE 545RFE / Fluid / Standard Procedure / Fluid and Filter Replacement) to replace BOTH the transmission cooler return filter and the transmission sump oil filter.

NOTE:
Always install the sump filter seal to the bottom of the transmission oil pump first, then install the sump filter to the oil pump and previously installed seal. DO NOT install the sump filter seal to the sump filter and then attempt to install both to the oil pump.

POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.

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TIME ALLOWANCE:

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FAILURE CODE:

Disclaimer:
This bulletin is supplied as technical information only and is not an authorization for repair.
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Wednesday, January 8th, 2020 AT 10:06 AM
Tiny
FREDERICK BLACKETT
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Hi, thanks for the response, but something seems a bit off track in two directions!(!) After giving the specs I was sold a sensor even by the dealer. But after reading all the diagrams I hunted, the location still could not be found; then I now assumed along with one guy that everybody is giving me information for an automatic transmission when my truck is a manual transmission. And also based on other cars or trucks. I am not hearing nothing about the 2006 dodge Dakotas which is my truck. Even on you tube everybody is talking about the rams and not the Dakotas.(2) nobody can still tell me if the 2006 manual transmission of the Dakotas carry input/out speed sensors or not and where they located. If they do carry any. Cause all the info diagrams I get seems to be for the automatic ones instead. So I want persons to understand that my problem of rough shifting from 3rd to second or not allowing to shift down from 3rd to 2nd is in a manual trans. Not automatic.. So is there anyone out there who is familiar with the 2006 Dakotas with manual transmission, and has shifting problems; like that that I have experienced. So once again I have a speed sensor in my hand and cannot find where to put it cause it was bought under the specs but it's location cannot be found; suggesting that it belongs to an automatic truck instead of a standard one. And 2 no one can still tell me why the truck won't allow shifting down to 2nd from 3rd unless it is slowed down to 4 mph. Please review as the answers I got is for automatic; mine is standard(manual) transmission.
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 6:25 AM
Tiny
FREDERICK BLACKETT
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VIN;id7hw48ki6s575578 Dodge Dakota 2006 6spd. Manual 3.7 slt quad cab
Where are the input/output speed sensors on this engine transmission, or the directions given is related to automatic trucks only. Cause none is found on the side of the transmission where most people say they are. So does this engine have them or not?
Secondly, shifting problems in this manual trans. From 3rd to 2nd unless the truck is slowed down to 4 mph. Or even shifting from 1st to 2nd is a problem when accelerating. It scratches terrible if I force it. Is it that manual transmissions on this model don't carry speed sensors on the transmission and that the information people are giving me is for the automatic ones. Maybe I should phrase the question different; like on a 2006 manual transmission Dakota what makes shifting down to 2nd from 1st or 3rd not possible unless the truck is slowed down to almost zero?
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 7:21 AM
Tiny
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Okay, there is no input or output speed sensor on a manual.

The only sensor is the vehicle speed sensor. This is on the transfer case and has no effect on your shifting at all.

If the gears are grinding, then it is either the clutch or worn out synchronizers in the transmission.

Roy
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 10:15 AM

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