2000 Infiniti I30 O2 sensors, fuel sensor

Tiny
LYNNHARRELL
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  • 2000 INFINITI I30
  • 6 CYL
  • AWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 140,000 MILES
I did not have any fuel problems with my car until we had car painted. Then the car just would not stay started. Our mechanic shop said we had burned up the starter and they replaced 1 o2 sensor and the fuel sensor. The car is now bogging down and drinking gas. We have been told that 2 other o2 sensors are going bad. Will a O2 sensor cause a car to drink gas? Could the car being in a paint boothe cause O2 sensors to malfunction? What does a fuel sensor do and what do the O2 sensors do. Can not repacing a O2 sensor cause the CATS to go bad as well?
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Sunday, April 5th, 2009 AT 10:08 AM

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Tiny
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***If you kept on cranking the motor for long periods of time, you may have burnt the starter motor. He may have been right about that. But I saw no reason for the O2 and fuel level sensors be replaced, if the replacement were done because of the no-start problem. Also, please tell me which O2 sensor that was replaced***

***You may want to ask them (casually). Ask why they suspected the other two O2 sensors need replacing? How come the two O2 sensor didn't come up on their initial diagnostic? What test did they performed to determine that? As they told you that the other two O2 sensors need replacement, exactly which other two? What I am getting at is that you have a total of FOUR O2 sensors. Based on what they were telling you, one would be under the impression that you had 3 O2 sensors.

While bad O2 sensors may cause the ECM to keep the engine in closed loop, therefore will use more fuel (10-15% more) than normal, I am not convinced that the shop perform a thorough diagnostic on your problem.***

***No, it is coincident.***

In a nutshell,

Fuel level sensor: Lets the ECM know how much fuel is in the tank. In some vehicles, based on the fuel level, the ECM can tell the driver the fuel economy data as well as how far the vehicle can travel before a refill.

O2 sensors: Front sensors measure the mixture of the exhaust gas before the catalytic converter. The ECM uses the information to correct the air/fuel ratio for proper fuel economy and emission. Rear sensors check the exhaust gas mixture and its speed to monitor cat efficiency.***

***In worst case scenario, yes. But it is hard to say, really depends on how the vehicle is driven and maintained. The ECM cannot effectively maintain the proper air/fuel ratio, causing lean or rich condition. If lean, the engine will be prone to knocking and/or pinging which will be very bad for the motor. If rich, you will be using too much fuel that will cause EGR and cat malfunction. If there is no MIL statiing bad O2 sensor, I would not replace any of them. If there were MIL (check engine light), then I would replace only the faulty one. It is very unlikely to have 3 sensors bad at the same time. Especially when the shop had already told you that ALL 3 were bad, when you had 4.***
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Tuesday, April 7th, 2009 AT 1:25 AM
Tiny
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Okay, I had the fuel sensor confused with the throttle sensor. When they said we burned up the starter it happened within a 5 mile radius. The car was cranked a dozen times and we had to keep it in neutral to get it back to the shop. They replaced the starter and replaced the throttle sensor and some other sensor. And the B1 S2 oxygen sensor. That still did not take care of the check engine light. Then they said we had a P130 and P140 code. They said they needed to replace 1 possibly 2 cats and both front oxygen sensors. The car never had any gas mileage problems or any problems until they started working on it. We have already spent $1300.00 dollars with them. They also replaced the battery terminals. Can you PLEASE give me some more advise now you know more detail.
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Tuesday, April 7th, 2009 AT 4:54 PM
Tiny
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P0130 Front Right Heated O2 Sensor (Circuit)


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I will post the diagnostic for P0140 momentarily.
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Tuesday, April 7th, 2009 AT 10:40 PM
Tiny
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P0140 Rear Heated O2 Sensor Voltage Too High


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To answer your questions:
Cranking the starter about a dozen times (say 30 to 60 seconds at a time, continuously) may have caused permanent damage to the starter.

I am not sure why they decided to replace the throttle position sensor. Please post what other sensors being replaced. Also post what other codes they received to warrant the sensor replacements. Based on the codes that you told me, your cats were not the problem. Both have something to do with the O2 sensor heater circuitry (P0130 is for Bank 1 Sensor 1 and P0140 is for Bank 1 Sensor 2 - the one that they just replaced).

If you can't perform the diagnostic yourself, you need to print and give them the instructions. Hopefully they will follow the instructions to solve the issues.
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Tuesday, April 7th, 2009 AT 11:32 PM

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