Harmonic balancer

Tiny
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Crankshaft bolt broke off allowing the harmonic balancer to work it's way off the crankshaft but the truck shut off before it came completely off so nothing has been damaged as far as I can tell. Installed new balancer but now not getting any fire to the plugs and no fuel flow. I've checked all fuses and relays and all are good and can jumper the fuel pump and make it run. My question is, do I need to reset the computer? Is there some sort of safety feature that locked out the ignition. Please help.
Monday, April 26th, 2021 AT 9:53 PM

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Tiny
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The toothed tone ring for the crankshaft position sensor is on the back side of the vibration damper. When it came loose, the sensor had no teeth and gaps to detect, so it stopped developing signals. To the Engine Computer, the lack of signal pulses means the engine stalled. The computer doesn't know why the engine stalled, but since one possible cause is a fuel line was ruptured in a crash, the computer turns off the fuel pump to stop dumping raw gas on the ground.

By wobbling around, the teeth on the back of the vibration damper likely hit and damaged the crankshaft position sensor. Start by looking at that. This photo shows both parts. The blue arrow shows where the damage will occur to the tip of the sensor. The red arrow is pointing to the teeth that are detected by the sensor. Note there are some uneven gaps between them. Those are how the computer determines which piston is coming up on top dead center.
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Tuesday, April 27th, 2021 AT 11:55 AM
Tiny
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Yes, I was sure that it died because the balancer was out far enough that the sensor was no longer picking up the tone ring but will the computer automatically reset when the new one is installed just by turning the engine over with the starter? And yes my first thought was that the balancer had to have been wabbling to some degree although there's no sign that it did what so ever, neither the crankshaft nor the balancer had any sign that that occurred like scratches, wear or anything, and the sensor was still caked with thick grease and grime with no damage.
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Thursday, April 29th, 2021 AT 9:29 PM
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The next step should be have the diagnostic fault codes read and recorded. The people at most auto parts stores will do that for you for free, but obviously you have to get the truck there. The good news is for this basic task you don't need a full, very expensive scanner. A simple code reader will do the job. You can find them online and at places like Harbor Freight Tools, Walmart, and farm and home stores. You might check these out too:

https://youtu.be/XY-1CsAzrFA

https://youtu.be/jr_Iv8T_Phk

Most code readers only read codes in Engine Computers. This second one can also access Air Bag and Anti-lock Brake Computers.

One thing to be aware of with crankshaft position sensors and camshaft position sensors is it often takes some time for a missing signal to be detected, as in when a stalled engine is coasting to a stop. A fault code for one of them may not set just from cranking the engine. When that happens, you do need a full scanner to view live data and see what the Engine Computer is seeing and responding to. Normally both sensors are listed with some type of notation as to whether their signals are showing up during cranking. If one is missing, the computer will not turn on the fuel pump, and usually spark too.

It's hard to imagine some other defect would show up just at the time the vibration damper came loose, but anything's possible. Hopefully there will be a fault code to direct us to the circuit that needs further diagnosis.
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Friday, April 30th, 2021 AT 11:26 AM
Tiny
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Okay, cool. I have a really good code reader and there weren’t any codes but I didn’t think about doing a live run while trying to crank it so I will try that and get back in touch.
Thank you sir.
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Sunday, May 2nd, 2021 AT 1:03 PM
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Remember, just cranking the engine often won't set a fault code for these sensors. That's when you need the scanner to see if the computer is seeing those signals during cranking.
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Sunday, May 2nd, 2021 AT 3:13 PM
Tiny
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I’m sorry it took so long to respond but I plugged in my code reader and tried cranking the engine but got no codes or RPM. I looked at the sensor for any damage but there is none. There’s a lot of build up from road grime in the sensor so it would be very obvious if anything hit it. My feeling is that the sensor is working but the computer is in sort of a lock out mode. Remember the balancer never came off only the bolt head broke off and appears to have hit the pulley on the power steering pump as there is a fresh chunk out of the edge of the pulley.
Thank you again very much for your help.
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Monday, May 31st, 2021 AT 10:45 AM
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Looking for fault codes while cranking isn't the right approach. If one would set during cranking, it would be there all the time and could be read by your code reader. All fault codes have a long list of conditions that must be met for them to set. Often one or more of those conditions isn't met during cranking, but the missing signal still causes a crank / no-start. This is why you need a scanner to view live data. My Chrysler DRB3 lists the camshaft position sensor and the crankshaft position sensor with a "No" or "Present". They'll both be "No" with the ignition switch on, then they must immediately switch to "Present" when the engine is being cranked. If one stays on "No" during cranking, that is the circuit that needs further diagnosis, even though it didn't set a code.
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Monday, May 31st, 2021 AT 6:08 PM
Tiny
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Sorry I wasn’t very clear in my reply. But yes, I have a decent scanner and did a live scan and although I didn’t notice the actual sensors in the list it does show RPM and it stayed at zero, but I don’t know if it would show any just while cranking. I haven’t had a lot of time lately to mess with it but it does have me stumped just a little bit. It’s definitely not firing. I’m just not sure on the root cause. At this point I’m still leaning towards a computer issue and not the sensor. My next move when I get time will be crawling under it and taking a closer look at sensors and wiring. I appreciate all your help.
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Sunday, June 13th, 2021 AT 8:57 PM
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I'll be waiting for your update. I still think this is related to the harmonic balancer problem. It would be unusual to have two different problems at the same time.
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Monday, June 14th, 2021 AT 6:37 PM
Tiny
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I agree and thanks again for your help.
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Friday, June 18th, 2021 AT 9:18 AM
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Sunday, June 20th, 2021 AT 1:23 PM

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