Why is my engine misfiring?

Tiny
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SHO. 3.0L 6cyl MTX 147K. Engine runs for about 20 minutes. Gets up to operating temp. Then starts misfiring (speed up, slows down. Jerking the car around.) When it cools down, it stops. Just started happening a week ago. If I shut down while hot and try to start. It is hard to start (lights fade, hard to turn over. Like the battery is almost dead) then it turns over and misfires. If it is cool, runs perfect. It is definitely heat related. Coolant is fine, oil is fine. Battery is a year old and tested good. Could this be a thermostat, head gasket (no white smoke), alternator (alternator was replaced 3 years ago)?

Tim
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Saturday, January 16th, 2021 AT 9:48 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hello paceclassa

it is heat related and the most likely is the ignition module or a weak residual fuel pressure could cause the same problem.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/46384_module_3.jpg



you will need to check fuel residual pressure if module is good.(fuel pressure in fuel line after engine shut off).
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Tiny
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Awesome! I am pretty sure it wasn't the alternator or thermostat. I was hoping it wasn't electrical. It doesn't appear to be. Here is what I did. I researched and figured either the ignition coil or the coolant temperature control sensor. So I opened the hood to look at them. The coolant temp. Control in the car looked different than the one in the picture I had of it. Same with the ignition coil. So I removed the connectors and took them both out. Blew out the dust from the connectors and cleaned them up a bit and put them back in. Just drove the car for 90 minutes, fast, slow, stop and go, highway, city. Not a problem. But, if it happens again, I will replace the ignition control module. All three just kind of sit top of the intake manifold or the throttle body. Hopefully, car is safe to drive now. What do you think before I get in rush hour traffic in the morning? Thanks for the help!
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Thank you for your donation and for visiting 2CarPros. Com we hope to help you again the next time you need us
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Tiny
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You think it is safe to drive? Its my everyday commute car.
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Tiny
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Hello,
yes it is safe to drive it.
Dust in connector specially with the ignition coil won't help for current flow.
You did a good job.
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Tiny
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Ahhh. The wonders of electronics. So it started again, but this time the check engine light came on and then the car stalled. Had to wait 5 mins for it to cool down enough to start. Got it home, pulled the engine control module (really easy) and took it in to get a replacement (internet said it was available at the store, but it wasn't - had to go to a store about 10 miles away). While I was at the store, they tested it (about 10 times to get it hot) and it tested good so I thought. Replace the ignition coil and the guy at the store said that was probably the cause. So I bought a coil and put it in. Didn't solve it. So I drove the 10 miles, picked up the module and put it in. Mathiaso was exactly right. It was the ignition control module. The moral of the story. Sometimes tests are wrong and the guy at the autoparts store is wrong too. But I saved a ton doing this myself with reman'ed parts. Thanks guys!
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Hi paceclassa, Were glad you got your problems resolved and mathiaso took good care of you. Thank you for using 2CarPros. Com. We appreciate your donation and look forward to helping you in the future. Have a great day!
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Have a great day and thanks for your donation
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Tiny
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So. After all of this stuff, it wasn't the ignition control module at all. The car went back to doing misfiring and hesitating like a person learning to drive a manual. Then stalling. It was the Camshaft Position Sensor. I also found the oil leak. There is a gasket around the crankshaft flywheel and that is leaking, getting oil all over the sensor and the sensor was failing. A $30 part.

Benn driving it for a few months and now the car won't start. It will crank but not start. I have had it at two shops and they can't find the problem. They both tell me the plugs aren't getting a spark, but they tested everything on it and it tested good. They can't figure it out and gave the car back to me. I thought it was the cam position sensor that failed again (the cranking but not starting is the indicator) since I used a reman'ed part, but both shops said it tested good.

Coil, cables, ignition. Etc have all been tested. Timing belts checked out OK too

Any ideas?
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Tiny
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I drove my '94 Taurus from NC to AZ with no problems. Now that I'm here in AZ, though, my speedometer has stopped working and my entire car jerks violently whenever I'm doing anything BUT accelerating, including braking, coasting, or even sometimes when I ease off the gas a little bit. When I get up to highway speeds, 60+, everything gets better. My speedometer suddenly works, my transmission is fine, I have no problems. When I slow down again, the transmission acts up again, though not as badly, and the speedo keeps working until I come to a dead stop, like at a red light.

I have two more days of pretty serious driving ahead of me before I can stop long enough for a serious repair job. There's a mechanic across from my hotel and I can stay a day - is this the kind of repair that can be done in that time? And if I keep driving it until Tuesday, will I be okay?
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Tiny
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Loosen the retaining nut/bolt holding the sensor in the transaxle. Remove the driven gear with the sensor from the transaxle.
Disconnect the electrical connector from the speed sensor.
Disconnect the speedometer cable by pulling it out of the speed sensor.
Do not attempt to remove the spring retainer clip with the speedometer cable in the sensor.

For 1992-95 vehicles equipped with and automatic transaxle, remove the driven gear retainer and driven gear from the speed sensor.
To install:

Position the driven gear to the speed sensor. Install the gear retainer.
Engage the electrical connector.
Make sure the internal O-ring is properly seated in the sensor housing. Snap the speedometer cable into the sensor housing.
Insert the sensor assembly into the transaxle housing. Tighten the retaining nut/bolt to 30-40 inch lbs. (3.4-4.5 Nm). Install the retaining clip.


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Tiny
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Yeah, but will it hurt to wait to do it? Can I keep driving or will I blow up?
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Tiny
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How far of a drive
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Tiny
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About 250 miles.
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I would replace before but should not hurt car will run bad
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Tiny
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While driving, my car seems to "skip". I am thinking maybe needs a tune-up or alternator? I don't know much about cars and don't have much money. Any posts from someone would be greatly appreciated. I can take the car to the shop on payday Fri. But I would like to give them some kind of idea what it might be. Also it cranks up okay, it just seems after I have got to a "cruising" speed that is when it starts the "skipping". THANK YOU in advance for your help. Greg W.-- Alabama
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Tiny
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Hello

The charging system would have nothing to do with this symptom so the alternator is not at fault here. If the engine cranks up good and vehicle runs fine and has no unusual shakes, smells, sounds etc. Other than the little skip then it is probably just due for a tune up. May also have a little water in fuel if it has been cold there or if fuel was just bad. When was last time to receive tune up including plugs, wires, fuel filter, oil, oil filter, air filter?

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Tiny
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When I'm driving 50-60 mph and I need to pass another vehicle (2-lane hwy) when I accelerate faster the car jerks strongly. As I continue this I lose pick-up and it takes a long time to pass the car. All the other times I drive the car (besides passing) it operates fine. I took the car to my local ford dealer, nothing showed on the computer scan. They recomended a tune-up, the fuel injectors cleaned, and a new fuel filter. My check-engine light is always off. I installed new plugs, a new fuel filter, and had the injectors cleaned professionally. I still have the jerking problem. Any Help appreciated Thanks!
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Saturday, January 16th, 2021 AT 9:49 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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The best way of going after this is to use this guide.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Please run down this guide and report back.
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