Will not start, flooding getting too much fuel

Tiny
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  • 2004 KIA OPTIMA
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Getting spark and rpm signal from crank sensor. Have the right amount of fuel pressure, got good, compression. Tested pressure regulator with vacuum gauge. Changed MAF no codes. Still wont start.
Friday, December 20th, 2019 AT 7:56 AM

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Tiny
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Based on this info, how do you know it is getting too much fuel? If you are getting too much fuel, have you checked the plugs to ensure they are not fouled? If they are fuel fouled then they will not ignite the mixture.

Let me know and we can go from there. Thanks

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Friday, December 20th, 2019 AT 7:18 PM
Tiny
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It keeps fouling them out. Is why I say too much fuel. I got it to start and it was running rough. Took the MAF off and it smoothed out. So I got a new one and put on it same thing. It's still hard to start and runs rough with a spark knock with out the MAF hard start but runs smooth with no spark knock.
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Monday, December 23rd, 2019 AT 11:28 AM
Tiny
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It has new plugs wires and coil packs also.
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Monday, December 23rd, 2019 AT 11:29 AM
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Do you have a scan tool that we can monitor the o2 sensor data? We need to see if they are reflecting the rich condition. This could be an injector issue but since it smooths out when the MAF is unplugged shows that it is able to pull the pulse width back and it responds.

Since this is happening, I am thinking the ECM is the issue or it is an input to the ECM so the ECM is reacting improperly and dumping too much fuel.

So at this point we need more info to go on. Hopefully you have a scan tool. If not, we may need to make a guess at it but let's start here. Thanks
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Monday, December 23rd, 2019 AT 6:50 PM
Tiny
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I sure do I monitored the o2 sensors and they are both working within parameter thanks.
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Tuesday, December 24th, 2019 AT 6:23 AM
Tiny
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What are the short term fuel trims doing? If this is running rich to foul the plugs they should be negative which means it sees a little amount of oxygen which means there is more fuel in the exhaust, which means it should be commanding the pulse widths to shorten. If the o2's are within spec and the plugs are fouling from fuel then that is an issue.
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Tuesday, December 24th, 2019 AT 6:59 PM

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