Engine transmission lock up

Tiny
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  • 1999 FORD WINDSTAR
  • 3.8L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 160,000 MILES
I have had a "dead" lockup, that caused two teeth to be stripped from my flex-plate. I could not turn the motor clockwise, as it was hitting something, after a turn or two counterclockwise, the clockwise rotation freed up and able to start. A new flex-plate was installed, but was nervous as nothing was found that revealed the cause of the lockup. After the repair, I had another lockup situation, but the starter stalled, rather than damage teeth. Again, after a couple of counterclockwise rotations, the clockwise rotation freed up. The only common denominator in each case, was the trans had been put in neutral and allowed to roll a couple feet without starting. Directly after each roll episode, is when the lockup occurred. I have eliminated any issues that would point to the motor, so I am left with the torque converter or transmission, being the culprit.
Sunday, September 22nd, 2019 AT 2:00 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning,

How did you determine the engine is not the issue? If you have a lock-up turning like you did and it locks up, my first thought is the engine.

The transmission will not cause this lock up issue. There is nothing in the front of the transmission to lock up.

Roy
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Monday, September 23rd, 2019 AT 3:42 AM
Tiny
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My initial thought was an engine issue as well, like a broken rod, or interference with a failed valve. When reverse rotation cleared the lockup, and the engine ran fine with no issues, my thoughts started drifting away, from being an engine issue. About 3 weeks running, with normal performance after the flex-plate had been replaced, I once again experienced the lockup. I removed the serpentine belt, to eliminate the alternator, water pump etc being. The culprit, and the lockup again was cleared, by rotating the crank in reverse. Again the van started and runs, with no apparent engine issues. Granted I have thought both about the oil pump and timing chain, but because it had been put in neutral, and allowed to roll a couple feet and then put in park prior to both lockup situations, my suspicions were directed to it being a torque converter, transmission issue. I am open to any theories! Replacing the flex-plate again is haunting!
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Monday, September 23rd, 2019 AT 4:39 AM
Tiny
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Okay, again, there is nothing in the transmission to lock up since nothing is applied when the engine is off. The only thing moving is the torque converter and the front pump. The front pump has vanes, not gears.

I am thinking a bearing on the crank. It may be rolling over on itself and when you rotate backward, it goes back into place.

Roy
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Monday, September 23rd, 2019 AT 4:43 AM
Tiny
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Thank you for the reply, and explaining the transmission workings. Having built race engines and manual transmissions for my son, as well as several other engine/manual trans rebuilds over my 50 year mechanic history, I rate my ability higher than a normal weekend DIY. With that said. I have very limited auto transmission experience. With the focus now back to being an engine issue, I would think a crank or rod bearing issue, would be detectable under operation. Although the alternator pulley turned easily clock wise when the belt tension was released, I am now wondering about the alt bearing locking when under tension. I could hear a distinct "clink" during the first lockup, when going back and forth rotating the crank, at the forward lockup point. Other clues may be, that the 3.8 has an exterior oil pump, being driven from a 3/8" shaft coming for the engine. I sort of eliminated the pump, thinking the shaft would likely fail, if something was in the pump gears. Virtually impossible to do, but I feel like I need to manually rotate the crank, prior to engaging the starter.
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Monday, September 23rd, 2019 AT 5:32 AM
Tiny
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Try doing a manual oil pressure test and see what the pressure is at idle.

You could still have a bad bearing with low oil pressure.

Roy
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Monday, September 23rd, 2019 AT 5:51 AM
Tiny
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Will do! It would seem that something has to move or settle in while just sitting there, as the engine rotates freely while running, prior to being stopped and the restart attempt. I hope I do not need to, but if I experience lockup again. I will be checking numerous items before any motor rotation is attempted!
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Monday, September 23rd, 2019 AT 6:15 AM
Tiny
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Keep me updated.

Roy
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Monday, September 23rd, 2019 AT 6:17 AM

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